PNW_PantherMan

Kirk Cousins just got a NTC on his 1 year extension. Is Kirk Cousins elite?

Do they take his entire 18m, or do we still owe him some on our cap? What about Watson? Does Houston pay any of this year?

I just don’t understand what the appeal for the Saints is at this point. If I was a QB I would only be interested in playing for Payton. Since he’s gone, what’s the point?

Looks like a computer generated person lol

I hate to give up Chinn in that big of a package, but Matt Rhule apparently doesn't know how to use him anyways. I'm mostly concerned about the 3 1sts, but at least we're not giving up our 2nds as well I suppose. I would think we'd have to lock in DJ Moore long term at that point, and then spend our 2nd and 3rds on OLine and defense the next couple years.

The situation is interesting with this, because the Texans stand to benefit from a bidding war, while it actually hurts Deshaun's future team. I don't know that he benefits from waiving his clause for more than the team he wishes to play for (of those that have offered).

Yea I assumed he would drag it out a few months an ultimately return. I couldn't see Tom going out like that in the playoffs when he still has gas in the tank.

I'm just pointing out the risk that a guy who is unhappy and forcing a trade becomes unhappy and forces another trade in the future. I don't think its that far fetched.

Think about how great he'll be after 2 red shirt years to adjust to the NFL game.

I agree but where is Watson under contract for 10 years? Don't you think the Houston Texans thought they were going to have their QB for the next 10+ years when they drafted Watson? That's the only thing for me. What if things sour with our front office/management after 3-5 years?

The 49ers would have been the perfect team to make a Deshaun Watson trade tbh. Before they decided to give up multiple 1sts for Trey Lance.

For what its worth, Watson was drafted 12th overall.

Basically every team's rebuild time is the period of time it takes them to draft a top tier QB. The Rams drafted Jared Goff at the start of their rebuild, and accumulated tons of talent around him and on defense. They realized Goff wasn't going to be enough, so they cashed out their future 1sts to go all in on the roster they built. The Broncos traded for Wilson because correct or not, they believe they have a Super Bowl roster waiting for him. We're just hot shotting a trade for a veteran franchise QB without the roster to go with it. I don't understand why our current FO is so averse to drafting their own QB, when that's literally how any team goes from being bad to good. They draft their own QB.

Its easy to look at losing Burns or Chinn in isolation. But if we lose both, and you combine that with the fact that Reddick, Gilmore, and Jackson are probably all gone through FA. The defense is going to be completely different. Also interesting that they don't seem to want Derrick Brown. Haven't been too impressed with him myself.

Except one of those teams has been a SB contender for 4-5 seasons and the other one is the Carolina Panthers.

Agreed. Him and his agent have to know the game being played here. If he wants a certain team, he won't waive it for 5 different teams. The Texans will do the best offer for the Texans based on who he will waive his NTC for.

The biggest thing for me is losing Payton. As much as their FO has kicked the can, he has really kept the team competitive week in and week out for a long time.

I'll be a Panthers fan until the team doesn't exist or is moved elsewhere. We could blow up the whole team and be hopeless and the Panthers would still be my team. Just the way it is for me. That's more of an emotional attachment than anything. I've moved all around the country since growing up in Charlotte and I simply cannot stop being a Panthers fan (for better or worse). But on the Watson/Tepper dynamic. In the professional world, anyone who's burned a bridge like that with their previous employer has huge red flags. They could be coming from a terrible situation, but it's still something to watch closely. Was Houston 100% in the wrong and Watson would love spending the rest of his career in Carolina? Maybe. But to me the risk is certainly there that after 3-5 years of BS in Carolina he wants out again. Combine that with a FO/Ownership that has soured on 2 QBs in 2 years. It's not a great look.

You're using language like someone who's upset. But a lot of our cap room is spoken for over the next 2 seasons depending on who goes the other way in the trade. This website is a great reference for that as you can look at 2022, 2023 and 2024. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/ And I'm simply pointing out that this player has burned a bridge with ownership and there is a possibility it happens with his next team. I'm done with this for now though. It's just a bunch of name calling and poo flinging instead of having a discussion.

You're taking this way too personally. We had an average QB in 2020 and we won 5 games though.

Nobody's butthurt. You're just being unrealistic. You really think the same thing couldn't happen here that happened in Houston? He could just get mad and want to play elsewhere you know? You think he's going to wait 3-5 years for us to build a team around him? Lol.

And you trust Tepper to gain and keep his trust? Oh my.

How are you missing the connection here? We are trading away our most valuable picks for 3 seasons. Watson will count 40 million against the cap. We'll have to wait a couple years for other cap hits to roll off. How exactly is that going to happen?

My argument isn't that Lovie Smith is some great hire. My argument is that what's so much better about Carolina? It's pretty identical. Both teams are several seasons away from competing (if we are stripped of major assets as a result of a trade). Lovie Smith is basically discount Ron Rivera if you look at the W/L and career history.

Lovie Smith may not have done well in college, but he has an over .500 overall record in the NFL. He has also been known to be popular with players. I wouldn't place him as a top tier head coach, but he's better than Matt Rhule.