PNW_PantherMan

That's true, I just think historically we had a very difficult time stopping any kind of a running threat at QB. I don't know if it was the scheme or the coaching or what, but we never seemed to be ready for that kind of thing. Cam was/is more of a power runner, but he was still damn quick at his physical peak. On 3rd and long, it felt like he could see an opening and shoot upfield for 10 yards in about a quarter of a second.

I'm not here to make excuses, but here's some excuses.

Maybe on paper, but Michael Vick completely destroyed John Fox's defenses. We could never deal with mobile QBs. I have a hard time believing he could have slowed Cam down at all.

And even with all that it took like 7 or 8 Jake Delhomme last minute Disney movie drives to get us as far as we got. I swear it felt like John Fox was trying to put us in that position every game...

I don't live in the area anymore, but it would be cool to see the Carolinas get a MLB team. I'd probably adopt them. The Mariners are impossible to love, given that I didn't grow up here.

Bill Parcells had certain guys he liked that he would bring to new gigs. You just gotta hope for 2 things. First, that your coach likes guys that aren't a negative to the team. And second, knows when to get rid of them if they really stink.

If anything he's good for the league because people either love him or hate him. People tune in for polarizing figures good or bad. That said, I'd be surprised if he made the team. You're really gonna use one of the 53 roster spots to have him as a TE?

I'd pass on this one. Guy was released because he's not good enough to be a starting safety. He's an average slot corner, which is not something we need at the moment.

We will have a top 5 defense. If Burns stays healthy he will push for the lead league in sacks.

I like statistics and historical data as much as the next guy. But, there's an important thing to remember. Franchise QBs that win Super Bowls are the exception and incredibly rare. This limits the usefulness of statistical analysis.

Thats what he gets for losing to us on purpose last year.

Only time will tell, but I really like this draft for us.

Maybe trading all of our picks to Denver to get Teddy Bridgewater back.

I'll just add that I absolutely hated Michael Vick as a player for the Falcons. He completely destroyed us, and I'll never forget attending the 41-0 game in 2002. I have never seen a player single handedly destroy a team the way he destroyed us that season. The other game we lost 30-0.

Part of that is true, but part of that was also Vick's attitude. When he was drafted by the Falcons, he didn't take learning the playbook or watching film seriously. He changed his attitude a lot when he returned and played for the Eagles. By that point he had his head on straight, but his body couldn't stay on the field for 16 games anymore. If he had put it all together as a rookie, he'd be one of the best QBs of all time.

I'm okay if we take Pitts at 8. I like to think the strategy is to get people to jump ahead of us, so that a tackle falls to us. This talk of potentially trading up to get Pitts though... doesn't feel right. If we make that move, Pitts better be the real deal.

Maybe a 5th or 6th round pick.

Interesting

In short, yes. He looked worse his 2nd season as the starter than his 1st one. He had more INTs than TDs that year. By that point he was 3 years into the league. Once they took Rivers, Brees play took off in 2004 and 2005. By that point they had to make the call on which QB they were keeping long term. They chose Rivers, and the rest is history. In retrospect, either would have been correct IMO.

How does 2nd rounder 1 year out = 1st round pick? I get the point that if we are the worst team, it will be the 33rd overall pick. But, there is a time value associated with these picks you know.

I think that's kind of a good thing. I don't see Darnold being mediocre. We're going to know if he can be the guy or not by the end of the season. If he's trash, we'll probably be picking in the top 3 instead of 8, and we can select a top QB prospect.

I'm also not sure we can use the Browns as a guide for success. They have been rebuilding for 25 years, and finally had 1 good season (where they didn't even win the division or make it to the AFCCG btw). They could easily regress next season, and Baker finally looked good in year 3 when the team was stacked and he had good coaching.

Getting Bernard on the cheap would be a fantastic way to replace Mike Davis. Totally different style of back, but we could use the depth. Don't want CMC getting run into the ground anymore.

You also get in a perpetual loop by tanking in football. I don't really think its like the NBA where you can get 1 stud in the lottery and you're in much better shape. If you draft a good QB prospect on a dumpster fire of a team, he could easily get killed from no protection or not perform very well ever. You could be looking at decades of poor play before you get something going. Instead of trying to find someone that can develop and win on a decent football team, you're looking for someone that shows flashes in a dumpster fire. Not the best approach in my opinion.

No way to know for sure, but I find it hard to believe that Herbert and Mayfield would look as bad. Josh Allen looked pretty bad his first 2 seasons with the Bills and has improved tremendously.