PNW_PantherMan

Yea I'll go ahead and put my name down on record. This trade is pants on head retarded for the Panthers. I'll gladly eat my words but hopefully this never goes through and he gets traded elsewhere. This would be a tremendous mistake for the franchise. Deshaun hasn't won anything in this league because he can't do it by himself. He will not fare any better here than in Houston. And he will make things bad in the future when Rhule gets fired and Watson demands to be placated by the head coach selection who will have 0 first day draft picks. Just bad all around.

Then its time to walk away from the bargaining table. Or else our FO are the worst negotiators alive.

And when/if Darnold fails again, we'll have a strong foundation for a drafted QB to step in.

100% agree. Plus we are giving up those players in addition to future picks. I don't understand this framing that we're just giving up the last 3 guys we selected.

That trade is so bad for the Panthers. You have to be delusional to think that turns this franchise around in a positive way. All 1st round draft picks aren't created equally either. Ours are likely to be in the top 10, while a team like the Rams is trading away a 20-32 pick for a 1st.

I used to think MLB was becoming less important in the current NFL. Then I watched an entire season of Jermaine Carter.

With Rodgers and Wilson locked in, the supply of available QBs is now shrinking fast. Feels like someone is going to trade too much for Jimmy G. Let's hope its not us.

Am I missing something, or will Gilmore end up being a great deal as long as his comp pick is equal or greater than what we gave up? Is there a catch here? Why didn't the Patriots just let him walk at the end of the year and collect the comp pick?

I made a 2nd reply reflecting this . I agree its a very fair deal.

Please let this happen. At this point there is nothing that would please me more than Deshaun Watson landing elsewhere. Put an end to this nightmare of a saga at least.

Wow what a bad trade for Washington. Why go for Wentz????

After all this arguing, watch Watson go to Seattle. Then our FO will feel so desperate and sick of missing out on QB's, we will offer a 2 1st round pick package for Jimmy G.

CJ Stroud is arguably the best QB prospect in college right now. They got booted from the National Championship race because they couldn't stop Hassan Haskins.

Yea not bad. Puts him around 17 or 18th in the league in cap hit for kickers.

Rumored package is 3 1sts, 2 2nds and a player or two. Just FYI.

Probably not happening. The Broncos traded for a guy with about 5 years left in the tank. Watson is still very young. And this is the same front office that gave up 3 picks for Sam Darnold when nobody else was calling.

Without seeing the figures reported, I'm assuming we overpaid lol.

I'm not saying Pete's trash, but I think he's closer to Ron Rivera than he is to the all time great coaches. I will also just go ahead and state the obvious that I am a bit of a Russell Wilson fan. I lived in the Seattle area when he was drafted because of my job and I've followed most of his career.

The team was stacked, but they weren't going anywhere without a QB. Matt Flynn was hot garbage.

He went 7-9 for 2 seasons prior to 2012, when Russell Wilson entered the chat. If Matt Flynn is that team's starter, they are 7-9 or worse in year 3 and I bet Pete gets the axe.

We're about to make a Sean Gilbert trade for the new generation.

Dude if the Panthers are kicking ass I will be loving it. I would love to be completely wrong about Rhule.

That has nothing to do with anything I posted, but I'll bite. There is no QB that would have solved all of our problems. There will never be a single player that solves all the problems on a team by himself. But the answer certainly wasn't to trade away Teddy so that we could trade away draft choices and commit significant money to Sam Darnold for 2022. Signing Teddy was a mistake too, but at that point it would have been best to just roll with him. But if we had to move on from Teddy, the answer was literally any other veteran FA or cheap trade target. (5th or worse round pick) Rhule and Co have gone in big two seasons in a row on QBs they shouldn't have. (63M for Bridgewater and picks plus 5th year for Sam). Going all in on Watson is not outside of the realm of possibility for them IMO. Especially considering this is likely a make or break year for Rhule. Edit: And on Horn, yes he looked impressive. But if Darnold was the one who got hurt in that game against Houston, do you think that changes how we view Darnold now? Just something to think about.

So what? They are ineffective at an NFL level. All that takes is observation of their performance relative to their peers. We don't need to be one of their peers to observe the results of that. Sam Darnold is a better QB than anyone on this board, but he is a bottom of the barrel tier QB at the NFL level. We don't have to be NFL QBs to evaluate that. I get being optimistic, but I'm past the point of no return with this administration. It just tickles me to deny any rumors that we've offered packages for Watson, because our front office is too smart for that.

There's a lot more evidence to suggest they have no idea what they are doing. There is very little to point to that says "these guys know what they are doing". That is reality. Sorry. I hate it too, but I'm done denying it.