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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He never had a shot. He went one pick ahead of us

 

I know just a reference to all the anti-Herbert takes at the time only for him to become a top 10 QB in his 2nd year, 

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Imagine all these takes in retrospect if we take a LT that busts and leave a guy on the board who becomes a franchise QB. 

Just now, Shotgun said:

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you want a LT, fine. But don't let it delude you into thinking a shiny new LT might make Darnold salvageable. Were you watching him? Most of his worst decisions come when he actually has the time to survey the field.

 

I don't know if Darnold can be salvaged but what I do know is that we are stuck paying him 18 million this year with what looks to be a lame duck HC. It doesn't seem so bad to fix the Oline and improve the overall talent of the team while we ride out the last year of Rhule. I personally want us to take Willis. I like his attitude and his top tier arm and athleticism I think he has that "it" factor and if he can be developed, he's going to be special. However, I do understand the argument for just letting this year go and allowing a new staff handpick a QB in what looks to be a loaded class next year. 

We haven't had a LT since Gross retired at the end of 2013. We had one good random season from Oher in 2015 and the rest have been mediocre. If we can somehow get a team to trade up and recoup some draft capital and still nap a Charles Cross so we can finally solve the long-standing question of "can he play LT?" then I'm ok with our punishment of watching Darnold next year. Who knows maybe the whole "He's only 24" thing turns out to be good and he actually develops into something that resembles an NFL starting QB. Then the whole huddle worships Ben Mcadoo for the next 9 months. 

10 minutes ago, Zod said:

I think a guy like Corral might do well in the offense that Rhule wants. Run focused and play action passes. If we can do that while also picking up a 2nd and third rounder to beef up the OL I would be happy.

Getting 16 and 19 from philly would be nice. cross/penning then corral/pickett. 

5 minutes ago, frankw said:

Brother we know the oline was bad but we couldn't get three yards in two tries against Washington with the game on the line to defeat a Taylor Heinecke led Washington team in our house. If you want him to mentor Malik that would be one thing but expecting him to work magic again is fantasy. He already put in his time trying to will this hapless franchise. You gotta let it go.

Cam had 3tds in the Washington game, we didn't lose that game because of Cam. No one here thinks Cam is our long-term solution but as a bridge QB he's the best choice. This is the best LT class we've seen in a while and one of the weakest QB class sense 2013. 

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Unless Cam will be hopping in a time machine or growing a new throwing arm a full offseason won't change the limitations of the offense with him. No defenses are scared of our vertical passing offense. They know it doesn't exist save for a few attempts.

Now Cam might not have the cannon he used to, but his arm is still plenty strong enough to throw down field. There was no need to worry about our vertical passing game because of how bad the Oline was. 

5 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

I don’t think they take qb, I really think they plan on taking tackle. Ever since last season ended they have talked about fixing oline. I’m not saying I want this to happen but I think 49ers end up cutting Jimmy G because they need the cap space to sign Deebo and Bosa. Panthers know this and won’t trade any picks. I think the is the plan A for them imo.

My tin foil hat theory is that Cam is truly open to coming back but only if he's the unquestioned starter. Fitt and Rhule probably told him they couldn't guarantee him anything, but they'd like to have him on the team for his leadership an experience, but Cam is only willing to be a backup if it's on a contending team. I expect after the draft we will know a lot more. I just don't see how Jimmy G coming off shoulder surgery and Sam Darnold are better than Cam with a full offseason. 

As much as Malik Willis excites us the best long-term option for this team is to resign Cam and trade down and continue to acquire assets and build the roster. But this is Rhule's make or break it year, so I fully expect us to take Kenny Pickett since he's the most pro ready QB. I like Pickett as a QB I just don't think we should stick a new coaching staff with a 2nd year QB that they didn't draft when/if Rhule gets canned. 

They really let russ cook

What's the point? If we wanted to go this route it should've been done at the start of free agency.

Nothing matters until we know who the QB is

Cam absolutely deserves a shot to prove he can still play. He came of his couch last year to play behind a JV offensive line and work with two trash OC's and was still our most exciting offensive player. Give him a full offseason and see what he can do. You can then trade down or take a LT at 6 and continue to build the team. If it doesn't work out then rhule is fired and fitter and a new coach can draft one next year in a better class. 

Gardner is an extremely likeable dude and has heart but he's just to physically limited to be a long-term starter. 

1 minute ago, ncstatekwi said:

Smoke and mirrors baby...maybe they want people to think we are tacking QB...then get a haul for people wanting to trade up to 6 for WILLIS???  Maybe...dunno.....I am going to go watch DRAFT DAY..

I want to believe but Rhule recruited him in college, and he went to Tepper's alma matter. All the signs just keep pointing to picket.

Tepper and Rhule seem dead set on Pickett at 6. 

Watch Teddy pre injury in 2014 and 2015. People really forget just how bad that injury was and how much it killed his arm strength and his mobility. I think the offense will really benefit from having a QB who's able to at the very least be able to operate it. The offense in 2020 would run circles around the 2021 offense and that's all because we had a competent QB.  

2 minutes ago, pantherj said:

He reminds me exactly of Teddy except he can run really well.

Teddy used to be really mobile before his knee injury and Pickett has a slightly better arm, but they are really similar. 

1 minute ago, Growl said:

interesting take

I do think Willis and Pickett do some nice things but you're crazy if you think you can compare this year's draft of QB's to last years. 

Love is better than both Willis and Pickett and if we can get him for something cheap like a next year 3rd and our extra 5th this year, I'd absolutely do it. If it doesn't work out, you're only really out a 3rd and you can just move on and draft a QB next year in a better class and with hopefully better coaching staff. 

I wouldn't absolutely hate this I'm just curious as to where you heard this from. 

We already have an $18 million bridge QB on the roster. Let's stop taking shortcuts and do this the right way by scouting, drafting, and developing a QB. 

Whelp pencil us a pass rusher in at 6. Tepper is going to want to make him pay for skipping out on us after he offered the house.