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Being on IR means you have to run around naked?

Kurt Warner was the first PJ Walker, haven't you heard?

Going back to 1970 there have only been 3 QBs taken #1 that have won a Super Bowl for the team that drafted them. Which means every other Super Bowl was won by a QB who wasn't the #1 overall pick, or he was the #1 overall pick but won it with a different team than the one that drafted him (like Baker Mayfield). Of those guys I would say that Terry Bradshaw is the gold standard. He only played for the Steelers and there isn't much about his situation that is unusual. The next guy is Troy Aikman. What's interesting about Troy is that the Cowboys had so much draft capital from the Herschel Walker trade that they used TWO 1st round picks on QB that year (the other was Steve Walsh). Peyton Manning is the other guy, and he is what everybody wants. A guy that comes in and single handedly changes everything about the franchise. However, it must be said that Peyton also won a Super Bowl with a team that didn't have to tank and get the #1 overall pick to acquire him.

That's an interesting observation. And if you are going to use that logic, I would say that only the Colts had the #1 pick to take Peyton. The Giants had to trade for Eli. And what they gave up was similar to what the Chiefs had to give up to move up and take Patrick Mahomes.

On Super Bowl Sunday the #2 picked PWNED our #1 pick.

We should trade for Josh Rosen. Just to be sure we get the #1 pick.

One interesting note is that coaches who have never won a Super Bowl have gone on to win a Super Bowl with a different team. Even some coaches who have lost a Super Bowl have gone on to win a Super Bowl with a different team. No head coach who has won a Super Bowl has ever gone on to win another Super Bowl with a different team. So when someone hires a guy like Sean Payton, there is zero precedent for that guy winning a Super Bowl again.

Stroud doesn't have it. I watched one game where the announcers praised him for "doing what it takes" to pull out wins sometimes. But why is he having to "pull out wins" when he has the talent advantage? Guys who aren't good enough to play at OSU still go on to become 1st round draft picks at other schools. That's how loaded they are.

You are absolutely right. And let us not forget this gem of desperation: "With the 2017 season already down the drain and his fate as head coach likely determined, Ben McAdoo decided to bench New York Giants great Eli Manning with just five games remaining. It was a move of desperation and one that has become a stain on not just Manning’s career, but in the history of the Giants as a whole." https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2021/09/26/ben-mcadoo-benching-new-york-giants-eli-manning-didnt-sit-well-cooper/

Baker isn't Peyton Manning but he is the first legit starting QB we've had so far. Which is another way to say that if Rhule only wins 5 games with Baker Mayfield, its time to find another coach.

The Texans were involved in the encounters. You must have missed that part.

That's because he was a real free agent and the team that scooped him up thought he was the missing puzzle piece to a Super Bowl (they made the championship game with Case Keenum).

The Ravens defense led Trent Dilfer to a Super Bowl ring. However, that wasn't the case for Joe Flacco. Joe actually had one of the best postseason runs in history. And he needed it because the defense wasn't what it used to be. He had to win some shootouts. The same holds true for Nick Foles. He went on a very good run in the postseason. He wasn't in a sidecar like Dilfer.

I am guessing when you say "purgatory" you are talking about the concept of having a QB that is just good enough that it prevents the team from moving on. He's not winning the division or making deep playoff runs...but he wins enough to take them out of range for the top QBs in the draft. They could go into free agency, but noone who is available is guaranteed to be an upgrade. The only other avenue is the trade market. But teams don't want to take on Cousins salary and it would need to be shed in order to bring another high dollar guy in. Having a QB like Cousins is one of the weirdest places to be as an NFL team. It kind of reminds me of owning an out of warranty German luxury car while being severely upside down on the loan. You want to dump it because of all of the issues and maintenance costs, but at the same time its super hard to unload it in a deal that makes sense because of the negative equity. Its also a good car...when it runs. So getting something that isn't a clear downgrade is a challenge. Next thing you know you are contemplating whether you should pay $20,000 for a $5,000 Nissan Sentra and eat the negative equity that way...pay $70,000 for a $55,000 Lexus...or just ride it out until the wheels and your checkbook fall off. Saying that for a friend...

If we are going to make fun of them along those lines... ...they almost lost to the Lions TWICE. They gave the Lions their first win of the season in week 13. That's embarrassing enough. However, they ALMOST lost to the Lions back in 5. They needed a miracle finish to kick a 54 yard game winner as time expired to pull it out vs the Lions. They also lost to Baker and the Browns.

I prefer the "selective allocation" method of honoring a player. The Detroit Lions had a hall of fame CB named Lem Barney who wore #20. They let Billy Sims wear the number. Then after taking it out of circulation, they let Barry Sanders wear the number. They had a cool retirement ceremony where it was retired in all 3 players names. But I would rather see it selectively allocated to players in the future. The Cowboys do that with #88. My view of it changed back when I was going into my senior year of high school. We had a really good teammate who wore #13 that died suddenly. Our coach got us together and said that we are going to have a #13 for the upcoming season, and it will be a player that embodies his spirit so we could all see the number live on. Then the coach handpicked the player that was going to wear the number at the same meeting he told us it was going to happen. To me it made more sense than locking the number away forever.

Johnny Hekker is the 2nd highest rated passer on the team after Baker.

Interestingly enough teams figured out McVay as well. And the offense went stagnant without Todd Gurley dictating to the defense. McVay needed a vet like Stafford to come in and adjust things with him. I think Brady could have life as a playcaller again if he has a vet QB to help him along the way. Coaches love Teddy Bridgewater but the honest truth is that Teddy is a commitment to mediocrity. Sitting on routes with Teddy as the QB is easy, because even if the play is designed to take a shot he is going to throw it short/medium. He only likes to go up top when someone breaks open, which he doesn't let develop much of the time. I swear he's one of the only QBs that I've seen who will purposely get sacked to take his team out of field goal range...just so he can save the incompletion on his stat sheet (throwing it away).

I can see the Andy Dalton and Baker Mayfield comparison. But Daniel Jones is a step down from those 2 guys and Sam Darnold is a step down from Daniel Jones. Let me illustrate what I mean. I'm posting Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Andy Dalton and Daniel Jones...in that order.

Interesting nugget. The closest I could find was when Mitch Seabiscuit sat behind Josh Allen those were 2 highly drafted guys from back to back QB classes. Another interesting nugget that falls into a similar realm but isn't the same is the Cowboys spent the #1 overall pick on Troy Aikman and then a month or so later spent the #1 overall pick in the supplemental draft on Steve Walsh.

He's doing the mom's friend AND the hot 20 somethings.

Winston is demonstrating how the night ended the time he hung out with DeShaun Watson.

From that standpoint playing LSU and Auburn is fun no matter what their record is. You would love it.

I think NIL deals changed everything. Now a school can buy away some of the recruits that Saban was able to land consistently. And if a school is feeling froggy, they can load up and buy and entire recruiting class and make a run. Kind of like how some MLB baseball teams load up and try to make a run every 4-8 years, but don't/can't do it every year.