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I really wish I could see a breakdown of how many of those jobs were restaurant and bar jobs compared to other types of work.

I don't think there is a real appetite for any more assistance to the public in congress. Right now all they are doing is playing games for political points, but have no real desire to get something passed. Its pretty typical stuff. Come up with something that sounds good, then throw some poison pills in so it doesn't pass. Then go running to the nearest microphone to talk about the other side being evil.

Some people will have to change their lives after this, and I can appreciate that. In what I do, there are only so many people in an area that do it...and only so many positions available. If I were to lose my job, I would either have to change what I do or pack up and move to another city/state. That's the reality for some people, uprooting their entire family and pulling their kids away from "home" with their school and friends. But yeah, its "just the economy" I guess.

You sound like me when it comes to sales. I have to do a little bit of it as part of my job, and I don't like it. I'm more of an operations side guy. Its kind of ironic because I'm so much like my dad other than that...and my dad did sales his entire life and its what he loved. He never even dreamed of doing anything else, and it didn't even matter to him what product he was selling. Fast forward to a character assessment test I took for a large company I was trying to get a Project Manager job with. It took a few hours to complete, and it was actually very good in the feedback it gave on my personality and tendencies. But funny enough, it said that I'd be best suited in sales. LOL

My opinion is that people use the term "economy" because it dehumanizes it. This isn't just "an economy" in some nebulous universe. These are real people going thru hardships and real pain, some of which will be life altering. Some people will never recover from this, they got hit that bad. Many dreams and ability to provide for other members of their family...crushed. The response needs to be proportional to what's going on. I'm okay with what has happened so far, and I'm okay with some of the plans to phase back into life. But, the plans I agree with happen soon. Anyone who is okay with continuing this for an extended period of time is speaking an entirely different language than me. If you want to stay inside, that's your right. But having the force of government to demand others join you, needs to come to an end.

Its impossible to lock down a state 100%. What you can do is significantly alter the number of people coming into the state. Several states set up road blocks on major highways into and out of the state, and were turning away outside visitors after confirming their information.

This is why I was okay with the idea of closing down the beaches, even though getting the virus on the beach isn't very likely. It becomes a magnet for people.

The President of my company is a boomer and is going to retire soon. His son is a Millennial and will be taking over once that happens. I felt like his son was going to make some changes to our work schedule once he took over, but now I think its a guarantee and he won't get push back from his dad. Now he can say "remember in 2020 when..." Specifically I think he's going to let us work from home on Friday's. I'm okay with companies experimenting with different business models. Different industries and different groups of people have different needs, so its time to move away from the cookie cutter model of doing business. Part of my job requires helping people to design their work space. Its funny how many times people want an "open office" and then in practice realize all of the drawbacks, and ask us to come back and put in individual offices and conference rooms. There was one construction management company I was researching that came up with the concept of no assigned seating. Just tons of work spaces and you kind of "get in where you fit in" each day. I wonder how that is working out for them. In my office we'd all end up sitting in the same space everyday anyways. We don't have "assigned seats" in our conference room for our weekly meetings, but everybody sits in the same chairs they always do every week.

Have you been using gloves at all when you are out? I realize there is a downside of gloves if you do not use them correctly, but I have been shocked at the level of compliance in wearing a mask in my area (feels like 80-90%) but virtually noone has gloves on. Thoughts?

You are using your real account and he is using a troll account. I think that is reason enough not to debate anything with him. Very true. Personally I like to think when it comes to politics there is/are 20% on each side. You have 20% left and 20% right and then 60% of people fall in various places inbetween.

Your response to how partisans see everything as the the other sides fault is "we moderates see that it's all their fault." LOL As complicated as politics seem, in many ways they relate back to the story of the squirrel who didn't collect any food, and winter has come. How someone see's what should happen to that squirrel says alot about their politics.

Well said

The way you guys live in the NYC area isn't common across the US. Most people don't live in that version of the world. You've got almost every disadvantage you can have there. The idea that its just a preview for everyone else is a myth.

Even Cuomo said it would be foolish to make all of New York state wait to open based on what's going on around NYC. A regional thought process is best. I feel bad for New Yorkers, but even their own governor isn't advising that we all stay shut down until they can get their stuff together.

Every family has its own dynamics. My kid is pretty independent and let's me be. Its my wife that can't seem to understand that I'm trying to work.

I'm certainly not C Suite but I have always had to deal directly with the executives on a daily basis, including being a part of the overall company planning process. In my head I've divided it between boomers and millennials, to say it plainly. My generation (X) seems to be a little unpredictable. But I've got the mindset that as more and more boomers leave the workforce and younger generations take over, we are beginning to shed some of the boomers way of doing business. And as more and more millennials end up in those positions, the bigger and bigger the changes are going to be. I guess to oversimplify it, I think of it like this: Boomers - This is what has been successful, and this is how business is done. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And we like to be at work just for the sake of being at work. It shows commitment! You can have a life when you retire! Gen X - We need to stay current with the market place, which means we are going to have to change with the times and advance on some things even if we are comfortable with how things are. Being at work is somewhat important, but we are flexible in what the market is doing and understand people need a work/life balance. Millennials - Its okay to rethink everything, even if it means being completely ahead of the curve. Being at work is meaningless. What matters is if you are getting the work done.

I remember when I had my first review as a salaried employee. Back then I had a nice little side gig after work, so I had to run errands and stuff during my lunch hour, which meant my lunch hour sometimes ended up being 90 minutes or more. My Senior Manager brought this up to the Vice President (who does the review) and the VP said "well is he getting his job done?" The Senior Manager said yes. The VP said "so why does it matter?" Then moved on to the next thing on the list. LOL My mom's job got "sent home" by a supervisor that didn't like her. She thought it would end badly for my mom, but my mom loved working from home so it backfired. But my mom was still hourly, and the supervisor was "worried" that she wasn't actually working the entire day. As you said, she wouldn't have been working for every dollar if she were at the office, so as long as she does her job...who cares? The supervisor changed her pay structure, and instead of paying her hourly she found a way to pay her for what she produced. This also backfired, because my mom was able to get an entire day's worth of production done in half of a day, so she picked up side work and made more money than she ever did working in the office.

They ramped up production of masks. I like that answer and I agree.

There are areas on the downswing. Can they open up?

So when do we go back? Is the answer just "not yet?" Because that is part of the problem and why people are becoming less and less compliant.

January 25th, 2019 at 6am in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. That's fine. But just realize it's going to happen. And when it does, you can keep saying "not now" but it's not going to change it.

It's going to have to happen eventually. So strap in.

They did it to an old white man recently, so why not?

It came from China to Europe.

Half of our office was hacking up a lung in late January/early February. Most of us (other than the big boss) had no other symptoms. I even bought a big bag of cough drops and put them in a big bowl at the reception desk, so everyone would have access to them.