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Rough playcalling there. Really predictable run on 1st; 2nd down playcall wasn't bad but then you just go F it and throw a fade on 3rd? Meh. That is the one problem I've had with Elko's tenure so far, playcalling shrivels up at bad times. Would've liked to see an option or a swing pass or something along those lines, looked like they were leaving space on the edge.

Conferences (in football, anyways) were a mistake and TV money is tearing the sport apart. Notre Dame had the right idea all this time. Shame that we finally get an actual playoff system once the sport is all but dead. The Cal/Stanford/SMU move seems to be one vote away from going through at this time but there's no guarantee that vote'll come, though you'd think State would be swayable. Guess we'll see.

According to Wikipedia, the definition of the phrase "coachspeak" is: The jargon or pep talks employed by sports coaches I personally feel like his statement here constitutes as a pep talk, but I understand the confusion since the term here has taken on the meaning as being like you said, politicking and fluff largely in press conferences to keep any real intent hidden from the media/public. As for the Jets themselves I couldn't care less about them, wouldn't be surprised if they do well or just flame out early in the year. Didn't mean to come off as hostile or anything like that with my original post.

Coachspeak was the wrong phrase but you get my overarching point. A part of being an NFL head coach is rallying a 53 man roster behind you. Do you really think that Foxxy or Ron never said anything like this about a team we were playing on Sunday in their tenures? What I'm "trying to defend" is that being outraged over something that you can be sure every single NFL coaching staff says to their team behind closed doors is silly and I feel like a lot of people around here lately are just angry to be angry. He said that he loved kicking ass. He didn't specify anyone. Sure he said it after they beat us, but it wasn't some personal attack on our team in particular. He was using it in an all-encompassing manner. He didn't go onto national TV and say "the Carolina Panthers SUCK!!!!". It's not like Payton singling out the Jets in particular earlier in the off-season. You really think every other NFL head coach wouldn't feel the same, regardless of if it's "pre-season" or not?

It's just coachspeak. Lots of coaches say similar behind closed doors that is kept private as to not give opponents bulletin board material and also not to just appear flat out classless (like a certain Sean Payton). I've not watched hard knocks but isn't a part of the point of it to be entertaining? I doubt that lone quote is the only thing that's played up for the cameras; but even then stuff like that gets said frequently without any cameras. To give a couple of examples I can recall off the top of my head, https://www.sbnation.com/2017/1/16/14283680/antonio-brown-facebook-live-video-mike-tomlin-assholes-patriots-vs-steelers https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/packers-coach-defends-kick-chicagos-ass-comment/amp/ There are probably tons more out there but there's a reason this stuff usually stays withheld from the public, and this comment probably would be no exception if the Jets weren't on hard knocks. I just don't see the point in taking issue with a comment that didn't even name us specifically (I think he personally meant the kicking ass quote as a general statement, not as some diss on Carolina specifically) when you can be sure stuff like this gets said on both sides in any game every week of the season lol.

I really hope that this team stops sucking soon so that this cringy fanbase-wide inferiority complex that's festered over the past 5 years fugs off. I get that we wasted a lot of talent and it's been a brutal ride but at any given moment we have like 2-3 dedicated threads shitting on players/coaches that barely even know we exist. In this case he literally didn't even say anything offensive, he said that he felt the second practice is often unproductive because the team that felt beaten would usually play worse as a reaction to the day previously thanks to negative emotions. Which could apply to both teams, but of course our fans took it like it was a personal attack against us lol. Can't wait for the random Rodgers hate thread as well that i'm sure will come week 1 of the season because some journalist spun his words for outrage clicks. Y'all would absolutely hate Cam if he hadn't been a Panther.

"Safety, as long as it doesn't impact our bottom line" is what they really mean.

Well, my interest in the league as a whole has been rapidly fading these last few years already; this rule will probably be the official nail in the coffin as far as watching any non-Panthers teams go.

:c

Would be nice if we could have a stadium actually named after something/someone to do with the team like Green Bay does but already know that has no chance in hell of happening. That said, I can still daydream about Bryce Young suiting up for his first NFL game at Mills Field.

Yeah, gonna be honest, this worshipping of the staff is beginning to get old. We get it. You trust the staff and they know 800 gorillion times more than any poster here about football or "Let me know when you're a GM" or whatever other derisive remark that appeals to authority. Going to someone who's upset about us trading up for a 25 year old project who had 9 sacks in 6 college seasons and talking about "muh staff" doesn't fuel conversation in any way. What is the point of even having a message board if you're going to do nothing but worship the front office and try to shut down any discussion that goes against any move we make? If you just want to grovel at our staff's feet just go to the Reddit or something. It'd be one thing too if the staff had actually sustained success or even had a singular winning season under our logo leading up to this point but they don't. It's an unproven unit, Reich has a career win percentage 0.01 higher than Rivera did here yet you'd think we had just hired Bill B away from the Patriots. I understand that things have been dark around here for a long time and it's nice to finally have some hope but it's starting to get ridiculous how much of a pedestal our staff and front office are being put on after having proven nothing. Even if we had the greatest coaching staff in NFL history it's okay for folks to criticize them. Everyone makes mistakes, even the professionals.

im surprised this wasn't done already lol

Damn it. I was really holding out naive hope we'd move up for him. He is so good, genuinely my 2nd ranked defensive player this year. Can't believe he fell this far. Fug. Edit: Having Vea beside him really adds to it as well, because the one concern with Kancey that scouts parrot is his size. Having a monsterous 350 pounder next to him will cover that up completely if it's even a problem at all.

the start of a new era (hopefully). woot!

Hardy could've been #1 on this had he carved out a long career instead of having his episode (even if he wasn't as good a player as smitty). Finding a player of that caliber so late in the draft is extremely rare, even with the off the field incident, getting two 10+ sack seasons with great run d on top of it out of a 6th rounder is pretty incredible value. You're usually just looking for guys to compete to make the final 53 with 6th rounders. Jno was also a fantastic find, I wonder what could've came of him had he not went to Washington. Always thought they misused him badly trying to play him as a #1 shadow-the-wr sort of CB instead of using him like Ron did. As an aside, I'd honestly be surprised if we didn't trade down out of 39 at this point.

I feel like the frame stuff is mostly an agree to disagree thing, you can't really change the mind of someone who is uncomfortable with it and vice versa. Young probably sees the middle of the field the best of anyone in the class and I don't really think that SEC linemen are that much shorter on average than NFL linemen are. I'm honestly not concerned about his height in the slightest. Sure it might interfere with his ability to throw 1-3 step drops from under center on inbreaking routes but that isn't really significant enough of a limitation for me to be scared off by when you consider his other great traits. I don't exactly think that Young is a perfect prospect but I do think he's the best in the class and deserving of #1. I'm concerned with how long he holds the ball. I think that he can adjust to getting it out quicker and stuff at the NFL level but I won't be terribly surprised if he throws a good deal of picks early on in his rookie season dancing around trying to do too much and it could result in him taking some nasty shots too. I will say that I think a lot of the posting around here like both QBs are gonna turn out great and us and Houston (or whomever) are gonna frolic through the fields together singing kumbaya with our new elite QBs is a bit silly. In 10 years, one will almost assuredly be better than the other. The odds of both becoming great are probably about the same (if not lower) as the odds of both being mediocre journeymen. I just hope whoever we take works out.

Damn. Crazy shift in results so far. I'm interested to see if this holds up. Stroud dominated both last time especially the second one. My opinion hasn't changed really, I put Young for both categories in the previous thread as well as this one. Have never quite understood the Stroud love around here and I'd have a hard time coming to terms with him being the pick honestly. Wouldn't be mad at AR though, just a bit terrified but simultaneously very excited that our staff thinks that they can coach him up lol. Guy is the ultimate diceroll.

please don't be terrible please don't be terrible please don't be terrible

Young's size is concerning but with how QBs are protected today I don't really think it matters as much as it would've in years past. If this was the 00s? Yeah, sub 200 pound qb is probably off of my draft board entirely. 2023? With the roughing calls they give out now? I dunno. Injuries a lot of the time really are just bad luck. Cam's shoulder injury that basically ended his career in the long run happened on a play that should've been whistled dead. Even if Young gets hurt, who knows if him being 20 lbs heavier would've prevented it? It's certainly worrying but it's not like he missed that many games in college taking hits from SEC linemen. Different game than NFL linemen, sure, but still encouraging. Bryce just needs to be sure to protect himself from hits at the next level whenever possible and I think he'll be fine with how much they handhold QBs these days. To echo a sentiment posted earlier, I'm glad I'm not the one making this decision lol.

Raleigh really is the best city in the state. All you'll find in Eastern NC is a bunch of swamplands so if you're coming from up north and looking for a place to settle down you should definitely move to Raleigh instead!

Trading Chinn while his value is at a relative lowpoint in large part thanks to us flagrantly misusing him all of last season would be a vintage Panthers decision that's for sure. I'm so excited to see him in this defense and I really don't understand what all the concerns are. Not every player has to be on the field at once, you can play him at interior linebacker and strong/box safety situationally. Worrying so much about listing position with a player who's as freakishly talented as Chinn is just seems regressive to me. Would be nice to see the team pursue a more traditional run stopping ILB in f/a or the draft to sub in on run downs but other than that I think our new defense will fit Chinn like a glove and I bet Evero will utilize him much better than Snow did.

holy poo that makes the UMBC game look like a normal 10-7 upset, they were ranked 298th in kenpom and the average height of their starting lineup was 6'3. WTF???