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He generally is, he was just scapegoated a few years back by Seahawks fans and management mostly due to struggles brought on by Wilson's atrocious pocket presence. Afterwards he put together a solid OL after the Raiders cut half their starters and has been generally well regarded pretty much everywhere else.

Nope. Which is why firing Frank was the wrong decision imo. We should've let him and Bryce lead us to #1 next year. Now we're in a situation where Tepper has the earliest coach firing since 1978 on his record. By firing Reich we now have to pick from a limited candidate pool (since we have no pick and any coach we hired is tethered to bryce for a season) compared to if we had retained him then fired him after next year when we are a more enticing destination. Basically just have to pray that whoever we hire from that limited pool is the guy. I don't see it ending well. I doubt any coach who cares more about money than ambition will ever be great. I think we just get used for a payday again then Tepper teppers and fires him after a year and then candidates really won't want to touch this job with a 10 foot pole.

Ah I mustve misremembered; I thought we had one last time. I still find that wording strange as "retained" would imply the firm was already being contracted previously. But then again the 2nd word of the passage is a typo so I could just be reading too much into awkward wording.

For those who don't want to click the X link to see the article: • CAROLINA PANTERS: Panthers owner David Tepper already has fired head coach Frank Reich and some of his assistant coaches. Many now expect that general manager Scott Fitterer will be next, according to league sources. Tepper has retained a search firm to help him guide his franchise for the future. Should he fire Fitterer, Tepper then would have a clean slate to offer a prospective head coach and GM, though Panthers assistant GM Dan Morgan also has support within the organization, according to sources. Whoever takes over, this team does have issues it must overcome. Carolina traded its 2024 first-round draft pick -- which became the No. 1 overall selection -- to the Chicago Bears last year to be able to draft Bryce Young, who has endured a difficult rookie season. The Panthers are missing other offensive playmakers and have a shaky offensive line that they need to restore and rebuild. Tepper is ready and willing to spend, but there are major holes and concerns to address. Wording is a lil different from the OP. "retained a search firm?" So it's the same one from last year that got us Frank Reich?

I mean hey, we could go 0-17 lol. I was just pulling your leg dude, just thought your post was fitting to attach that edit to. I don't think the team'll keep Scott but I've also learned not to have any expectations for them, not even the most basic or simple ones.

We don't have a "fan culture"? Keep Pounding and all the other cultural things is a lot more than many other teams have, especially for one founded so recently. It's also rather strange, since our crowd noise once shook the press box during the NFCCG and has been measured as high as 89 decibels (via https://www.soundprint.co/location/bank-of-america-stadium-charlotte-nc-32860), which would be a whopping 6 decibels behind the Eagles stadium's peak measurement of 95 and rate us solidly in the top half. Every team has dweebs that tell people to sit down, it happens when your stadium is marketed as a family environment. Trying to blame the fans for not unconditionally supporting a billionaire with no ties to the area, no care or regard for the team's previous culture (you talk about a "fan culture", remember how Tepper tried to take keep pounding out of games and replace it with a wolf of wall street chant? and what ever happened to the keep pounding drum?), who clearly has no impulse control and the mindset of a giant manchild as evidenced by this incident, and who has called OUR FANS basement dwellers on multiple occasions is nothing more than blind bootlicking. The "REAL FAN" bullshit is a scam that billionaires use to manipulate suckers out of their money and time for nonexistent fan cred. What exactly do NFL teams do to help the local economy that deserve your unconditional support? Scam taxpayers out of countless dollars to build new stadiums... maybe host a concert or two (at the expense of countless turf-induced knee injuries).. and... that's it? This argument only somewhat works for college teams, though even in that instance is wildly out of date. But please, continue to shine Dave's shoes even if it goes against the best interests of the team that you claim to be a "REAL FAN" of. The only sliver of hope we have of anything changing is by hitting him where it hurts; his wallet.

Where are all the Tepper bots that going around calling people fairweather fans for refusing to financially support this piece of poo at? They seem oddly abscent from this thread sans a couple.

With David Tepper owning the team? I wouldn't bet on it.

Dude's about to make a KILLING off using Tepper as leverage

It really is mindboggling that people can look at the corporate, big tech-controlled internet we have today and then come on here and pine for more censorship. Just nothing short of baffling to me.

holy poo i mean its deserved but its just insane to see the team reduced to this. almost a thing of beauty how unanimously tepper has united the state against him.

Would it be a disaster? Yeah, probably. But the team's owned by David Tepper; it's gonna be a disaster regardless. I'd rather lose with our guys and culture instead of some uninspired retread with no ties to the team or area considering that next year should be a tank year and no good candidate is signing up for this mess anyways. Sadly, the latter is likely what will end up happening.

I've re-watched this probably upwards of 20 times over the years. Oh how I miss when NFL Films made productions like this. Seems like at some point in the early 2010s, NFL Films all but died sans a handful of shows here or there. This is one of their best simply because the story of this team is already movie-like by default, not many other teams that can say the same imo.

2019 was the last time I was truly optimistic and expecting a playoff push. I had some cautious, reserved optimism for this year just because on paper all the moves seemed okay but the entire time there was something nagging at the bag of my head and I've come to realize that what that "thing" was is that I wasn't sold on Reich, our receiving core, and pretty much all of the team's depth pieces. I did not expect this level of implosion though, I don't think any besides the most extreme of pessimists did and I think it's fair to say that most of us were at least feeling MORE hopeful with the past off-season in conjunction with how 2022 ended on top of trading up to #1. It's become abundantly clear that we have a severe ownership issue, something the vast majority of us were denying for many years as apart of what I can only assume was a collective defense mechanism in spite of the evidence hiding in plain sight. It didn't even occur to me that a team constructed with such reckless abandon for how the personnel fit together could even make it onto an NFL field. It feels like a miracle that we even won a game. Remember how in 2020 we were making threads and posts about how Brees, Ryan and their respective team's cores were aging and that the division would be wide open in a few years if we played our cards right? Well, the division is certainly wide open alright. Just not for us, lol.

Cam may not have been able to physically throw the ball as far (though I don't believe there's really much of a difference at all here TBH) but his passes still had way more zip on them, occasional spike at the ground not withstanding. So i'd go with Cam pretty comfortably. The speed at which the ball travels from place to place is the main thing that matters.

It's just hard to know who does what right now in the organization. To get any real picture it's a game of dot connecting without any hard evidence. That's why I didn't want to firmly lump her in, wasn't saying she was or wasn't. For all we know Dave could be the one that always asks for her opinion on things and she's simply giving it. Unlike with Dave IMO, who's proven time and time again that he doesn't learn from his mistakes and seems very intent on overruling the decisions of qualified football minds because he's convinced that learning the ropes from Marty Hurney for a year makes him a football wunderkind.

Of course not, they're narcissists. Well, I don't know about Nicole. But Dave sure as hell is. Typically, narcissists aren't known for their ability to take any sort of responsibility for their actions. In their mind, it's everyone else's fault. It shows clear as day in how the team has been run since he became the owner.

You know, in a way I sort of do as well. It would've made it a hell of a lot easier to stop caring about this team.

Oh damn, good to see that SizzleBuzz is still alive and well! Was wondering where that guy went.

As Panthers fans in 2023, we are basically rooting not for the team, but for a billionaire hedge fund manager and probable narcissist to pull his head out of his ass and stop interfering in football decisions after half a decade of being the worst team in all 4 major sports (We actually just dropped below a .300 win percent since 2019 with the loss last Sunday, congrats Dave!). This is, of course, after he murdered the previous culture of the team in cold blood, showing zero regard for the existing fanbase or region as a whole. Yeah, there's not much to root for there. This is the first time I've ever seriously questioned my fandom before. Why in the blue hell would I want to cheer for David Tepper?

I really don't understand the logic behind firing Reich this year, especially when Evero wouldn't even take the interim job as I feel he'd be one of the only good candidates we could have a chance at. Let Reich and Bryce tank command us to the #1 pick in 2025 then hopefully we can attract an actual candidate. Who the hell is willing to sign up for meddling ownership, a probable bust at QB, no first rounder, and one of, if not the worst roster in the league? Reeks of just being a reactionary, kneejerk decision. Especially considering that Tepper announced it personally on Twitter without informing the players. God damn we are so fuged.

I increasingly think he's a glorified yesman and nothing more. Probably still has authority over some of the picks but if Tepper wants something he knows that Fitt will do it for him.

Oh yeah with regards to the state of the team, absolutely. We've been fuging up nonstop for years. Cap management, drafting, personnel decisions, you name it. But like, can you believe we went from this: To the state we're in now? I mean damn. Life comes at you fast.