1of10Charnatives

Not. Sure. If. Serious.

oh I hold no illusions this would ever actually happen, I just thought it would be fun to throw out a fan oriented idea for laughs and see if others come up with similar notions. I agree Tepper ain't giving up poo.

No disrespect but I think being a fan of a consistently below average team may have distorted your view of what a good backup QB is. PJ's career statline features a completion percentage of 55%, and an interception percentage of 6.6%. I'm not expecting Pro Bowl performance out of a backup QB, but in the modern pass whacky NFL, I'm sorry but those numbers do not support the notion of doing enough to not lose us the game. They are not numbers which move an NFL offense in a meaningful way compared to other offenses, and with current NFL rules stacked against defenses, your QB MUST move the ball, backup or no.

I thought we were all in agreement that simply listening to the sound of gravel poured over a solid metal surface would be better than Mixon? I haven't heard the new guy but here's hoping.

kinky and inappropriate to a family forum.

Someone mentioned in another thread that McAdoo seems to actually get plays called and into the huddle in a timely fashion. Given that this has been an issue with the Panthers for at minimum over a decade, with the number of penalties, wasted time outs, and flat out broken plays resulting from a group of highly paid millionaires being unable to do a basic function of their job in a timely manner, I propose that the NFL adopts a new rule (which they never will) in fairness to their fans: Every delay of game penalty or time out called by the home team to avoid the play clock expiring shall result in all prices at the concession stands being lowered by a dollar for the remainder of the game, and a refund of 5 dollars per incident to season ticket holders. If NFL owners want to whine about their lost revenue, fine, they can take the lost revenue from the lost parties salaries: HC, OC, and starting QB. I get it, the NFL is hypercompetitive and other teams have good players too, I can't demand a Super Bowl and claim to be reasonable, but what I can demand as a paying customer is that highly paid professionals execute mundane basics of their jobs at a competent level. Post your own suggestion of things NFL teams screw up that they have no excuse to screw up here.

I have one first impression of McAdoo and one first impression only (given that I wandered into a bar with about two minutes in the game and watched the final drive and that's it, this is how badly Rhule has erroded my interest in the Panthers, I used to watch even preseason games closely to get a feel for the roster, now I can't be bothered to care about watching the train wreck). If it's true the play calls are getting into the huddle before the play clock hits 15 seconds, as another poster claims, that in and of itself will be a refreshing change from the last decade or more of Panthers football. It has long been tiresome to pull for a supposedly professional organization that so consistently fails to do this most basic thing in a timely fashion.

This. PJ might be better than Corral atm, but ask yourself this: Do you really think PJ develops into an even credible NFL backup? If you do, I have some real estate in Elbonia I'd like to discuss with you. Corral may or may not develop, but the fact PJ is currently ahead of him is irrelevant. We've seen PJ's ceiling, it's not NFL caliber. If he is on the final roster it is an indictment of the braintrust either way: either they cannot properly evaluate him, or they wasted a third round pick (high enough you can often get a starter at less crucial positions) on a QB we won't wind up keeping. PJ was on the roster when they drafted Corral, if they had faith in PJ at the time, why waste the pick on Corral? (don't tell me you expect him to become a starter someday, the numbers say 17% chance of that) If they didn't have faith in PJ, why is he now getting reps?

oh I'm absolutely blaming the coach. I don't blame PJ a bit. The point is not that PJ is awful at an NFL level, the point is that there is zero value to the team in giving him reps instead of those reps going to Corral. Thus an obvious coaching error on Rhule's part likely based on making an emotional decision rather than a rational one. The only conceivablely rational reason to play PJ is you're trying to market him to other teams to get something in trade. Perhaps in the forlorn hope those other teams don't have access to PJ's actual NFL game tapes, or somehow aren't aware you currently have 4 QB's on your roster, one of whom you have significant contract obligations to, one you just traded for, and one you just drafted in the 3rd. It's beyond obvious PJ is headed for cut day as a free agent, and the notion some NFL team should give up anything of value to acquire him is a hilarious one. So why in the world is he getting reps that should go to your third round rookie?

This is absolutely the bottom line. You know what you have in PJ, you've seen enough to know he's never going to be an NFL starter or even quality backup. If that were not the case, you wouldn't have traded to acquire a 3rd round pick to draft Corral. You might hope Corral develops into an NFL starter in a few years, but if you have a brain in your head (looking at you Matt Rhule and Scott Fitterer), you know that the numbers say the odds of Corral becoming more than a backup are long indeed. Corral is the guy you drafted to be the long term backup with the outside chance he might mature into a starter. Anything else is wishful thinking to a level imprudent in NFL executives. Here is a link to a 2015 article some Chiefs fan did that does statistical analysis on the likelihood of a QB becoming a starter for at least half his career based on the round he was drafted in. I'll give you the short version: 1st round: 63%, 3rd round: 17%. What the stats tell us about drafting positions by round - Arrowhead Pride You don't pin your hopes for keeping your job (and let's not fool ourselves, keeping your job long term as an NFL head coach or GM is ridiculously correlated with finding a quality starting QB) on a 17% gamble. Therefore the reasonable assumption is that Corral wasn't drafted to become a starter, he was drafted to be developed into a backup. That being the case, PJ continuing to get reps in preseason games serves only the interest of PJ, unless you genuinely believe there's a meaningful probability his performance would induce some other team to trade for him. What this all points to is Rhule being committed to PJ in a personal, emotional way that an NFL head coach cannot afford, or having disastrously poor judgement and a failure to heed clear analytics conclusions from someone professing to follow analytics. I was willing to give Rhule the benefit of the doubt when he became our head coach, despite my misgivings based on the track record of college coaches coming straight to the NFL. His performance to date with many decisions like this have led me to the conclusion he is in over his head in the NFL. We as amateurs shouldn't be able to so easily and so clearly pick apart an NFL HC's decisions as poor. Nobody is perfect, but this is just awful.

This is actually accurate. QB play is the single most important attribute of success in the NFL. If we get better qb play, you'll see better results. if QB play and bad coaching persist, all that roster talent elsewhere will be wasted. And just to be clear, OL play can be a heavy factor in QB play outcomes.

Remember kids, being an armchair TV football "expert" isn't actually about knowing the game or the teams or the players. It's about having a strong jawline, good profile, clean skin, and if you're white, the right hair. The only time I tend to listen to talking heads on tv is when they aren't particularly attractive people. That's when you know they're there for their actual knowledge. Or they blew someone in management.

Nothing associated with the NFL is both cheap and high quality. Pick one but not both.

I have a hard time believing lawyers put hundreds of hours of work into lawsuits that haven't even been filed yet. The hundreds of hours of work tend to come from filing motions, filing the suit itself, interviewing witnesses, prepping for depositions etc. Although some meaningful time is spent laying the groundwork before a suit is filed, it is mostly limited to determining whether your client actually has a meaningful case that you'd invest time in. No lawyer spends hundreds of hours on just that part of the process. If they do they go broke fast. Beyond that, I assert nothing, but let's not go making dubious assertions as the basis for claiming the settlements have to be bigger than x. They may indeed be, but I'm not buying that particular line of argument as sound.

When he's done with football, he should seriously consider a career in journalism or as a writer. His story is powerful and heartbreaking, but he also told it with exceptional skill. Football is far from this young man's only talent. One of the most moving things I've read in a long time.

Do the profits get paid to a private owner or owners? No. That is the germane point here. Thanks for clearing up details, but for purposes of our discussion, my point was costs socialized while profits are privatized is the problematic model.

Back to the city, which is why I brought them up as the example.

The team Tepper and his organization fielded last season succeeded in bringing my interest in the team to by far it's lowest ebb in any point in it's history, including the Season of Pickles. There will always be a place in my sports heart for the Panthers, but in my youth I ate breathed and thought Hornets basketball, but I am here to tell you that year after year of mediocrity will cause me to look for other interests in life. Some admire the soulless sports zombies of places like Cleveland, mindlessly rooting for competitive excrement year after year, but I don't. Life is short. Professional sports needs me as a fan, I don't need it. If it gives me a reason to watch, I will. If it doesn't, I won't. Add to this my utter distaste for government subsidy of highly profitable private business, and if Tepper wants to move a losing organization to someplace foolish enough to sacrifice their children's future in order to provide a billionaire with tax breaks and tell themselves it's a good idea with a lot of nonsense about economic impact, then I say good riddance. Prove to me you can win, then I might care whether you go or stay.

I would be perfectly happy with government subsidies for NFL teams if they were all like my second favorite NFL team: The Green Bay Packers. You want socialized costs? Fine, let's socialize the profits, otherwise GTFO. But that will never happen since everyone knows socialism of anything is a horrible idea. I mean we can all see what a horribly run organization the Packers have always been. Lord knows they could learn a thing or two from a model of privately owned sports success like the Browns. Now everyone who hates socialism voluntarily withdraw from Social Security, Medicare and any VA benefits you might have from serving in the military before presenting your counterarguments, lest ye be guilty of naked hypocrisy.

Incentives can be an important tool when used properly. However, the economic impact of the Johnson and Wales campus which was opened in Charlotte at roughly the same time as the Panthers began playing here is far more verifiable than any similar impact by the team. To take that idea one step further, pretty much any credible economist will tell you that small businesses are far greater job creators and engines of economic growth in aggregate than big businesses, which just seem impressive because a few of them can point to impressive individual numbers, yet the same politicians who are inclined to honk on mightily about the virtues of small business consistently penalize them by voting for tax incentives for big businesses like Google and the Panthers. When cities and states reward big businesses with tax breaks, they put smaller businesses at a competitive disadvantage to behemoths like Amazon et al. If capitalism has a single underlying principle, it has to be that FAIR competition in the marketplace is good for everyone. Don't like your cable provider? The way the industry has effectively roadblocked competition for generations is a case study in what lack of real competition winds up looking like. The reality is that every time government subsidizes big businesses, it is working against your economic interests as a consumer and unfairly giving greater advantage to those businesses that least need it, and inefficiently utilizing said incentives in a way that actually leads to suboptimal outcomes for job creation and economic growth. If tax incentives are to be used as a tool of government policy (and whether they should or should not be is really a seperate discussion), the arguments that are backed by actual verifiable data and math say such incentives should be almost exclusively directed towards smaller businesses, not multinational behemoths and sports teams. That these organizations have perfected the art of extracting incentives from governments at every level points not to sound government policy, but the effectiveness of lobbying (read:legalized bribery) and their mastery of the use of the prisoner's dilemma to play one city or state off another to extract the largest concessions possible.

noted.

That Verge guy seems to really know where his towel is.

Great plan. I'm all for it. Given that he's the person who decides starters and playing time, I wonder what Rhule thinks of this idea.

You're confusing socialism for capitalism. The government favoring one business over another via tax breaks is, by definition, socialism.

Please run for public office. I would give my left hand for an elected official as honest as this statement. Alternatively, I would be willing to watch 4Corners eat a handful of live bees.