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2 hours ago, Zod said:

Living together without being married = Living in sin

Ahhh

we call that smart

But but but

rhule and Brady and Tepper think TB is their guy and are idiots

deerrp

Oh you’re talking about having sex? 

lol southern people are so funny

we call that normal and healthy and that’s why it feels great

As someone who was home schooled throughout high school, and went to college have a good career etc. and looking at the statistics home schoolers do just as well if not better in academics and further in college AND these stats have nothing to do with social intelligence (the main knock on us home schoolers)...I wonder why it failed to this extent.

I was doing all these things in high school long before this pandemic (almost 20 years ago) video/ telephone meetings and chats, virtual learning, regular 8 hour school days...seemed normal to me. 

Guess preparation and the fact it was rushed in a pandemic situation. Suppose it depends on the specific child. Or maybe my parents were just on top of it. Still thought it would do better than this.

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Believe it or not, Adam Schefter says that's still possible.

What worries me more though is we thought that somebody else who wants a quarterback badly trades up with them.

A couple of different sources of pointed out that the Lions would be in a really good spot to trade down now.

If the Lions were smart, they’d take a top QB in this draft with their high pick and solidify their future with a ton of capital. I wouldn’t rule them out whatsoever.

Now trading down and acquiring even more picks? I’d even say that is more likely than not taking a QB.

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A lot of y'all are overlooking that a good chunk of those draft picks were literally just to get the Lions to absorb Goff's contract. That's why a lot of us have been saying Teddy has negative trade value. We'd literally have to give up draft assets to get another team to take him off our hands.

Isn’t Goffs and Staffords guaranteed money about the same for the remainder?

That’s what you have to compare it to and in doing so it looks to be Rams got a slight, short term upgrade for way too much capital. Also looks like Goff could’ve been cut in 2022 without much significance.

Then you have to figure Rams are going to extend Stafford...

Maybe someone knows about contract number can chime in and break it down @stbugs. I’m trying to see an upside for the Rams other than they now have a QB who can make NFL passes.

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Getting some details filled in now....

Additionally, Schefter confirms that all seven of the teams who were in heavy talks with Detroit offered at least a first round pick, and more.

So yeah, it looks like we were ready to offer #8, plus...

Meh, could’ve been a next years first.

Still think they weren’t as serious as the other teams and just seeing if they could get him for cheap/feeling out what it’d cost/being ‘involved in every move’ etc.

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Do we really have the capital to do that though?

I wasn't a real big believer in the possibility of getting Watson anyway, but after today I just can't see it. Trubisky? I suppose it's possible if we're interested.

I'm starting to think if Rhule really does believe in Mac Jones (and there's evidence to that effect) he's the guy. Maybe not at #8 but who knows?

Not even enough capital to pick up the phone. It isn’t realistic any any sense out outside of EA Sports.

You either have your guy at 8 or trade down.

From all I’ve heard from Rhule about trading down, being able to hit on more guys with more picks, and the fact he wanted to due it last year, I truly believe is a QB isn’t there at 8 they’re trading down and either take a late QB or figure it out this year. That also matches a long term plan Rhule wants.

All this FA trade QB talk is nonsense.

10 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

No question 

I still think they take one. In perfect position for one and now have the capital for it not to matter. Plus he can sit behind Goff if needed and not only get experience but kill one year of Goffs horrible contract.

If Lions get a top QB in the draft and all this capital as well, I have respect for these moves. Smart, setting themselves up for the future.

Lmao Lions are coming out great

I just don’t understand why? We already have a TB for a year for a rookie to sit behind. Is our FO that inept they can’t scout a good QB with a top 10 pick in a QB heavy draft?

I’d rather risk a rookie and long term success than maybe 5 years of a aging QB I don’t see going to a super bowl.

On 1/29/2021 at 10:49 AM, Daly said:

Get day day Watson baby idc how many first rounders it will take whatever man . We never win a Super Bowl and by doing the same thing as last year we were going to win one anyway so why not spend the draft capital on that Qb that has a rocket deep ball that can make Dj n Robby elite ! 
 

be aggressive in free agency on offense screw it get Allen Robinson here too picture Watson Allen Robinson Dj Moore and Robby Anderson draft a tight end and we will be sitting with a Lombardi trophy fellas . This is the fastest way back to 2015. Saga , do what you think we shouldn’t because we have nothing to lose get an identity bring in all offense build a power house yes it isn’t madden but tell that to Tampa .

we need an offensive identity and it starts with Watson everything else will fall into place big name free agents will want to play with Watson 

Yea you’ll have to hope you can build and entire team from free agency...which is rare. What’s also rare is free agents going somewhere for a QB....99% of the time they follow the money unless they’re old and aging AND can still play at a high level, also rare. Also there won’t be enough money for Moton, Moore, Watson and Robinson. And it seems you’re forgetting the single thing almost all SB contenders of the past 20 years have - a top defense.

Sorry but this post sounds like a 15 year old obsessed with Madden who doesn’t understand how things actually work/reality.

8 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Lol.. those of us noting Watson has leverage due to the no trade clause is relative to a player without one.  Do we really need to walk through why that is the case?

Have you read some of the posts here? That is not true at all.

19 minutes ago, Call Me James said:

They took a big gamble. And here we are drafting at 8. 

lol I can see why an obsessive Cam fan thinks they took a big gamble

but in reality it’s the contrary, they avoided the big gamble and didn’t pay cam the commitment he wanted to stay, and thank god for that

they took a small, short term gamble on TB and he has one year left

having a losing season/high pick is irrelevant and would’ve happened either way, any somewhat coherent fan already knew this, it’s called rebuilding, it’s the blueprint and Rhule’s MO

Exactly. I am not sure why people on this forum think Watson has all the leverage. It isn’t true at all. There will have to be a compromise between two disgruntled parties...which should be pretty entertaining.

The team is not ready to compete and a vet QB won’t do poo. Fields and Wilson won’t be the only QBs in the draft and someone else WIlLL work out. It’s about the FO doing their homework and due diligence and making the right choice. This year or the next. That’s what we are set up for and I know this shocks all you Madden players but the Panthers might need more than one season to find their franchise QB and do things right.

4 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

I want a smart football team but I am going to dumb down the process.  Got it.  Go Eagles.

Lol honestly this philosophy reminds me a lot of how Rivera/Fox would be

make it simple, traditional have your man beat the the other guy

if not, we lose our way, no adjusting no scheming 

Lol cam fans still butthurt

No one blasting Watson how he’s treating the Texans just jumping ship after just getting paid and not getting his way - whether you believe he’s justified or not

No one blasting players chasing fat contracts or not giving hometown discounts...cause ‘family’

spare me the bullshit ‘it’s a business’ all players seem to understand this chasing fat contracts but when the FO makes business moves that benefit them all of a sudden players are ‘done wrong’

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

It's kind of like watching a relationship with one of your buddies and telling him to rid of his GF/spouse because it is plainly obvious where it is all heading. But they double down to try and salvage it, only for more time to pass before the inevitable happens and they split up.

That's Houston and Watson right now. 

Your buddy? Lol come on man this has happened to all of us.

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

If they don't meet his demands, it is the Texans who stand to lose a lot more than Deshaun Watson. Remember, they just gave him a $30 mil signing bonus.

If they play hardball, all they will achieve is a spot in the dumpster of the NFL for the remainder of time.

Watson also loses his chance to continue his career. And is value will go down. Playing time non existent. Worst case scenario he could basically just fade out instead of continue to build on a HOF type career.

In my mind, both have a lot to lose by hard balling each other. No doubt there will be a little of that...but like I said before, it’s going to have to be a good deal and compromise for both of them. Which makes sense because there is no benefit for him staying for either party. 

1 hour ago, SizzleBuzz said:

That's funny too

There is nothing "mutual" about this...Deshaun is acting like a whiny bitch making a demand, will be interesting to see if it is met.

Well yea the trade itself is not mutual. I’m sure the Texans want to keep him but since the trade of demanded by Watson doubt they want him there disgruntled. Doesn’t mean they won’t have some say in getting as much as they can for him.

There was a good article I read yesterday that said the specific reasons for Watson wanting the trade have not been stated and any team getting him would have to most likely understand and accept that something was going on and they’ll never know the full scope of it and this was the baggage they’d have to accept and hope they don’t piss him off in some way, which is true.

If I was a FO looking at Watson I’d want to know as well. Clearly he is this upset about something. Coach hires, trading his friend/best weapon. But NFL is a business and it’s rare you see a franchise QB leave like this. Unfortunately I don’t think we’ll ever know the full details.

14 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

The sum of all that is quite funny...

As for the highlighted text, Watson's no-trade clause specifically restricts the Texans' ability to "pick the highest bidder"...

...but, at this point it appears Deshaun wants out at all costs so he will likely accept a trade to the highest bidder even if they are a less than palatable franchise vs. invoking the NTC which he may have done in more normal times.

 

 

 

The clause restricts him from being traded period. But that is happening because of mutual agreement, and that is the only way it could happen. Watson can say no to a trade because it’s not where he wants to play because of the clause just as the Texans can also say no to a trade because they’re not given what they want.

Point is, it’s not as simple as Watson choosing a single team where he wants to play and the Texans MUST comply as people seem to think on this forum. That isn’t going to happen. You don’t draft, invest and develop a player and valuable asset only to just give him away to wherever he says so. Even the Texans aren’t that stupid.

And the end of the day Watson will go to a team he is ok playing for and the Texans are ok with what they’re getting in return. And for that to happen Watson will have to give multiple options. And the Texans will determine what capital each will give. That is what’s happening.

6 minutes ago, Rockahype said:

I understand how the clause works. At the end of the day Watson and his agent hold the power. Yes the Texans could decide not to trade him, but realistically what are they going to do? You honestly think there is any way he stays in Houston? Have you ever seen a marque player stay with a team after tensions publicly escalate to this point? It's very realistic that Houston will have no option but to accept the best deal Watson allows or risk having to release him with nothing to show for it. 

Both sides will have to work together. You think Watson is going to risk sitting on the bench the rest of his career because he didn’t give a reasonable list of teams the Texans can get capital for? He is the one who signed the contract and no he’s the one wanting out. The Texas have leverage in the fact they could keep Watson from continuing is career. Houston does have that option and leverage. Again it’s a two way street, both parties will need to benefit. Watson does not hold all the power if he did he would only give the single team he wants to play for most and the Texans would have to accept it, and that team, being his only choice could basically offer pennies for him but he doesn’t have all the Power because the Texans don’t and probably won’t accept that.

Just now, NAS said:

You think Watson decides what Texans want in return?

Bingo.

7 minutes ago, Rockahype said:

I've been lead to believe Watson has a trade clause that gives him the ultimate say in where he is going. So unless this is false info Miami and NY can offer all they want but if Watson doesn't want to play there it isn't happening. 

That’s not how a clause works. It must be mutual. That trade clause also gives the Texans the ability to not trade him - period. No matter how much he wants out. Watson must work with the Texans in order to be traded and most likely provide a reasonable list of teams. The Texans aren’t simply going to take one single option and whatever the lowest bidder is willing to give because Watson says so. What’s the point in that? They don’t HAVE to trade him. They’d probably go back to Watson and say they’re not trading him because his ONE team won’t give reasonable capital and he’ll need to provide a list of teams.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? You think the Texans are seriously just going to say fug what we could get for him let’s let him do whatever he wants for whatever in return lol.