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6 minutes ago, PandaMan said:

Seems like sarcasm might’ve surpassed you, but I’ll also say, if Tom Brady or Philip Rivers did the same thing, they’d be praised for their tenacity and and competitive spirit

I get what you’re saying, but ‘responded to it perfectly’ as people are putting it is way off 

google cam Newton and this poo is everywhere no matter what you think of it

had it been handled ‘perfectly’ (ignored) no one would even know and the kid would prolly learn dumbassery won’t earn him any attention

no, he didn’t go all out and I don’t think what he responded with was anything worth talking about or people should really are but the bottom line is he should know better getting this attention

for the record Cam isn’t being scrutinized, almost everyone is on his side for telling off and ingrate but imma have to disagree if Brady did this poo he’d be scrutinized more and for me look just as foolish

3 minutes ago, PandaMan said:

Lol he’s a professional athlete, not Nelson Mandela.  He didn’t curse, he didn’t hit the kid.  He didn’t scream.  Are you really hating on Cam for this?

is that what you do when kids are being a dumbass? Yell, curse and hit the kid? lol gimme a break

12 minutes ago, Cookie Lyon said:

You don't even like Cam, so no matter what he would've done, you would've been against it. 

You are a disrespectful moron just like that kid in the video.

Tf are you talking about I watch athletes for entertainment not determining whether I ‘like them’ or not -that’s dumb, I don’t know these people

I’m not against anything, he’s a grown man, but it’s basic knowledge among adults to just ignore kids, what exactly do you do on the daily when kids talk poo? Fight them? Argue with them? Lol

I’m genuinely curious as to what the logic is to give them the attention they want when they’re acting like a moron like this...enlighten me.

10 minutes ago, Gesualdo said:

Let's face it, that argument was entertaining.

As for Cam, he's not getting enough credit for how well he handled that. 

That said, if he had a chance to do it over, maybe that kid doesn't HAVE a dad. Maybe that's why he's acting like that. But Cam handled that really f*cking well.

no he didn’t lol

handling it well would be ignoring him not screaming I’m rich 5x at a kid without hair on his nuts

kids do this poo all day long, they never feel they’re listened to because they’re not, 99% of the time kids have literally nothing worthwhile to say

if adults never ignored kids’ stupidity there would be a big problem

doesn’t matter really because Cam is irrelevant now but people who say he handled it perfectly make me think kids’ dumbassery would actually trigger you people, that’s sad

1 hour ago, PhillyB said:

just click the link great grandpa or did they not teach that in world war one

34 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

"old soul"

lmmfao log off loser

5 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

people who call themselves "old souls" are complete fuging douchebags lmao. imagine being proud of being 30 and everyone thinking you're twice as old because of how crotchety and inept you are 

do you not see the irony?

19 minutes ago, TheBigKat said:

What significant mistakes do you feel he’s made?

Keeping Marty too long (or at all). This equates to a lot of player/contract mistakes 

Keeping Rivera too long.

Keeping Cam too long (but this may fall on Hurney).

That said he was still learning. People wanted instant gratification and ignored the learning curve. Everyone makes mistakes, it happens. It’s about what you do about them. Franchises like the Browns, Jets, Cowboys to the extent keep making them. That’s the difference. The jury is still out on Tepper.

It appears to me however he is a quick learner and changes things quickly when a mistake is made. I believe the slow moves in the beginning were part of his earning curve NOT his normal way of handling things.

I’m ok with it. We’ll see year 5-6 what he’s really about.

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

OK, here we are on Feb 21--isn't it rather telling that Cam does not seem to be in any conversations--during the offseason of the QB?  I hate that for him---if RR had used him correctly, he could still be playing well.  Great guy (if you ever met him) but I wanted him out because I have never seen a QB take a beating like he took for 8 years here. 

I would love to see him come to camp here as #81, trying out for TE job---but that won't happen

It was telling when no one offered poo for him last season and he played for vet min and will probably get another vet min job as a backup this season.

This is just confirmation.

He had a great career, I don’t feel bad for him. It’s too bad but plenty of good QBs or ones with potential get fuged by a shitty organizations (or multiple) Luck, Rivers, you could argue Romo, Watson, D. Care, argument for Marino maybe even RG3, maybe Campbell, V. Young, Pennington, A. Smith...list goes on and on.

Fact is a great, franchise QB simply cannot overhaul a consistently horrible franchise. There is very very few examples of this happening. Cam being one of them.

Yea he’ll come to a worse organization and worse oline at age 32 in order to show he can compete at age 35. 

lol

Dolphins are going to get him if he’s traded. Panthers simply can’t offer as much to the Texans or a better situation to Watson. It is what it is.

56 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

you have no clue lol

Derp

The oline played great the first half of games. Then checked out at half time. Where is the stats for that? That poo is awful.

Add in Moton played at a high level and Okung did too when he was in.

And they still ranked #18 in the NFL.

It’s a bigger problem than people think. TB sucks yea but it’s just fuging lazy to say the oline isn’t that big of a problem.

It’s actually worse than people think.

5 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Trading those guys we would just end up like the Texans 

not according to Madden

33 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

No shame in this.  Happens to every player eventually. 

How many people can say they reached the highest level in their profession?

Tre lived the dream.

Nah no shame in it. The slight isn’t on Tre. It’s on idiot Hurney. He played one year on a 3 year deal and never should’ve been signed. He was never worth a 3 year deal. 

Basically a nice way of saying you’re not worth the money you’re paid, you’re playing time is better spent on a rookie where there’ll be little drop off and higher potential, and you’re not worth the roster spot either

Yea it’s kind of skewed to just look at available space but it’s still not great considering - when looked at overall we are in top 3 worst with Rams and Eagles.

Not to say the future isn’t bright because it is but you can’t look at this being 5-11 and be happy probably won’t next year either unless were a winning team...then this franchise will look pretty decent. At least 8-8.

Hurney was fired by his secret elderly lover once...for a reason. It took A LOT for that to happen. You rehire him this is what you get, the same reason.

At least it’s finally come to an end.

It’s what we have not been used to under Hurney - fore-thinking and preparation.

This doesn’t mean anything is going to happen. All this means is they’re preparing be able to be involved in anything that comes up. But really, they’re cutting poo players and restructuring poo contracts, that’s just what smart franchises do.

This is dumb they cut god awful players and it’s for cap space? Lol

If he works really hard like everyday and pushes himself 100%, takes no shortcuts, and gets some extremely skilled coaching

He just may become...average depth

lol

no, they are not trading that pick

we’re getting desperate here on the huddle and it’s not even March

lord help me

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

It was originally reported that the Texans want two young defensive stars. We have three to four--plus CMC who is a nice piece to dangle in a prospective trade, plus we have three firsts! You can downplay that all you like, but I doubt the Texans are. No, we don't have the extra first, but I'll be damned if we don't have more talent in regards to what the Texans need/want.

The no trade clause means Watson will have to be happy too. You trade away rookies Burns, Chinn and CMC on a cap strapped, 5-11 team and I’m not sure Watson is going to be on board.

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I agree that Miami makes the most sense, although I would caution that you might want to consult check the map on the "close to home." The distance between Gainesville, GA and Houston/Miami is about +2 hrs in the favor of Miami. That doesn't fit with that specific point.

I imagine it will ultimately come down to basically two factors, where Watson is willing to go and what is offered. If Watson absolutely does or doesn't want to go to "X" teams, they won't be in it. So whatever teams he is willing to accept being traded to, then it comes down to the bidding war. Maybe we make a bigger offer than the other suitors, maybe not?

We probably won't know until well after the trade is completed who bid what.

A 2 hour plane ride vs a 1 hour and 15 minute plane ride is not going to be the deciding factor (Charlotte vs. Miami). I wasn’t debating Houston, only the idea Watson wants to be close to home. They’re both ‘close’.

Panther could offer everything and Dolphins could offer almost everything and still come out ahead.

The only single, possible deciding factor here is Watson. Does he want so badly to play for the Panthers for non logical reasons only known to him to the point he’d refuse the Dolphins?

I don’t see any logic in that as much as fans really want to think so.

30 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You're discounting our young talented players who are extremely compelling as trade capital, and you're totally discounting Watson's wishes in the matter. And, honestly, both the Jets and the Dolphins would have to be willing to give up their picks (and Houston would have to be interested in Tua or Darnold).

No sorry, the Dolphins have a much better argument. See my post above. I’m not discounting what we have, only putting it in perspective and comparison. ‘Talented’ players. If they’re compelling as trade capital that means they’re NOT compelling for Watson only to the Texans.

The Texans do not have to be interested in Darnold or Tua because they’d likely get the 2 or 3 pick in the draft for a new QB. Not so with 8. That is much more appealing for a franchise that *should* be rebuilding.

You guys can keep fooling yourselves saying the Panthers have just as much to offer as the Jets or Dolphins but if you’re considering the circumstances of the no trade clause and that both the Texans AND Watson will have to be satisfied, the Panthers are not remotely in discussion with those two teams unless Watson himself has a urning desire to only play for the Panthers no matter the cost which I find laughable.

30 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am confused about what proof that his article offers about us not being able to compete.

That article is just an article. But it insinuates the Dolphins are interested.

The common sense of not being able to compete comes from multiple angles:

 1. #3 in the draft so even if Texans don’t want Tua they can draft a qb. Not as easily doable with #8.
 

2. They have 2 firsts and 2 seconds. The draft capital that could be offered is obviously more by a large margin. Which leads me to...

3. They’re a 10-6 team and legitimately up and coming. QB is one of their few holes. It just makes sense. Even without their picks, if you plug in Watson they’d have a team that could easily rival the Bills and take the division. While I think Saleh is going to be great, that sentiment isn’t remotely true for the Jets or the Panthers.

4. Watson will actually play for a competitor AND be close to home.

5. And more of a side note - the Dolphins are known for diversity and minority hirings, clearly a plus for Watson.

6. Cap. Sure their cap spending is about on par with the Panthers. Well except their actually paying contributing players and have a whopping 500k dead money vs. the Panthers 23 million (and that is an old figure it’s much higher now). What does that mean? Probably that the Dolphins don’t really need a long term plan...they’re already almost there. Watson would get it done. On the other side - the Panthers could only offer what could and hopefully will be 2-3 years in the future because for this year and next they’re strapped. Will Watson be ok waiting? Not sure about that.

7. Oline. Sure the Dolphins ranked as one of the worst. But why? Because they heavily invested in it. High draft pick rookies. And although not a huge feat they have improved by doing so. That oline’s trajectory is going up and will bloom. Plus they actually are showing with the new regimen it’s a priority. The Panthers well...they’re struggling to sign their one good player due to cap, so they’ll tag him. They literally have no answers for all the other positions and depth. If they finally take the oline seriously they can hope to be where the Dolphins are in two years - high investment, and improvement in long term answers.

So yea I’m trying to find an angle we could compete with the Dolphins. Do you have one? Clemson maybe? We have his QB coach? We have better weapons...but not the cap to resign them. That’s a short list.

Ultimately the Panthers can only offer Watson a vision and Watson will have to be ok with that.
 

The Dolphins can offer evidence their vision is coming into fruition, and QB is the primary missing peice of the puzzle.

So yea. We can’t compete. We really can’t compete with the Jets either but maybe in the sense that they too will only have a vision to offer.

Panthers will never be able to compete with the Jets or Dolphins.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article249161075.html

19 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

Do u agree with this @AceBoogieabout Watson not wanting to come here because of way we treated Cam. Voth came out yesterday and told someone he would not turn down anything if he wanted out 

Dumb. Business was treated like business. Least that’s what the players say when they chase the money. Panthers never sniffed another QB for years letting Cam rehab on the bench...and paid him 60 million to do it then be cut after negotiate couldn’t be had and no one wanted to trade anything for him. Not sure what what kind of creepy butthurt fanboy poo you’re thinking of.

If the Panthers were smart they would’ve told Cam to suck it up, there’ll be no ‘commitment’ and sent him out as a lame duck QB and save TB money.

But I’m sure creepy fanboys would’ve said that was treating him bad too.

Anything other than a family friendly 4 year extension (probably worth at least 100 million) would have made fanboys mad TBH - unfortunately for Panther fans the team as a whole that would have been really fuging stupid.