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8 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

 yep and a mediocre oline with an elite qb will be better than mediocre oline with a crappy qb.  

Not according to the last 20 years of playoff contenders. Mediocre olines have made the super bowl only 3-4 times in two decades - all had a HOF qb.

You need both. 

Who is to say the new GM and coach cannot prioritize investing in quality prospects through the draft? They certainley can’t even try if they don’t have the picks.

You’re just assuming the new staff will continue run things like Hurney...and in which case nothing will help us.

22 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

right so nothing would change.

that’s the problem

38 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

we've had all our 1st round picks for years...why is our oline still so bad?

It’s not because we’ve had a bunch of first round oline busts.

18th ranked oline and 19th ranked defense in the league...

it’s a good starting point but there are a lot more reasons the Panthers lost than just QB play

Just now, uncfan888 said:

We know why you don't Watson here. Keep it moving 

Any and all Panther fans including myself would love Watson here

2 hours ago, Mother Grabber said:

after a 5 year recovery from the trade we'll be golden.

Lol you know that’s not how the huddle works

we could literally trade every starter we have and they’d expect playoffs next season and then when it failed they’d make excuses they didn’t give Watson a worthy team

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The writing has been on the wall for months. Some people have just performed Olympics level mental gymanstics to deny it.

That’s pee wee league, the real olympic level gymnastics is to articulate how the Panthers field a competitive team giving up something like 3 first/seconds and/or Brown/Chinn/Burns. 

4 minutes ago, MVPccaffrey said:

3 firsts, two 2nds, Burns or Brown + Robbie ends up being the deal made, IMO

Lol 

So we will build an entire oline and literally an entire defense minus a slightly above average LB solely from the next few years of FA? Is that even possible?

Lord help us if this is the case

11 minutes ago, MVPccaffrey said:

Ya'll thought the Penn State Panther fan traveling contingent was big during the Collins years, just wait until half the population of Death Valley shoots up 85N to support their favorite player ever on Sundays!

It’ll be the second biggest movement of white trash rednecks of the year!

(first being bicycle week at Myrtle obviously)

On 3/15/2021 at 8:52 PM, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

To say the least, Two sub par offensive linemen and cutting Kerr..... So were does that leave us?

Well the two contracts have a combined cap hit this season of about 3.5M dollars.

 

Cutting Kerr reportedly saved 1.1M.

Based off ST and OTC we started the day with between 29 and 31m in cap space...

 

I'll use 30 as average...

 

30m

-3 5m for signings 

-10m for draft picks

+1.1 for cutting Kerr

 

This should leave roughly 18.5M dollars in available cap to spend....

 

 

So big Kahana or restarted rebuild?

I am by no means a cap wizard...but it’s sounds like a good amount to rollover with the 89% rule in mind. Course this is over a 4 year period which I believe started this year. Maybe that explains TB? Then of course I think the rest of the league has to spend a certain amount.

Maybe someone with more cap knowledge can confirm but this is basically how teams like the Browns were some ridiculous 80 million extra in cap space one year...

Always good to take advantage of the rollover in a  rebuilding time so the money is there when the players worth spending on are also there. Take all this as a grain though I’m not sure how it’s work tbh.

15 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

False accusers need to get punishment as well in my opinion.  Even if it's eventually proven that the accused did nothing wrong the whirling poo storm caused by those types of accusations doesn't just poof into non-existence . 

It’s kind of flipped. False accusers aren’t punished if no one presses charges. That makes sense because you don’t want to discourage anyone, false accusers are just casualties in that type of system. I’ll take it.

But they can most certainly be sued and punished if their victim does something about it. So yea, wish that would happen more.

But it’s extremely difficult if not impossible for the justice system to prosecute these kinds of cases without a compliant complainant though.

Meh I wish high profile people would stop settling stuff like this and I wish victims would stop taking/demanding a settlement.

I understand there is a lot of legal and personal stuff that goes into decisions like that. But I feel issues - legal/justice system or otherwise would possibly come to light if all of a sudden things couldn’t be fixed with money. 

But in the end everyone just learns what the price tag was and not actually what happened or what we can learn from it in any aspect. It’s sad.

36 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Seems like one guy "reports" or floats something into the ether and then 3 to 4 more people regurgitate it on Twitter and voila!  It becomes gospel.

37 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

two months ago, we were his preferred destination.

Both of these can’t be true.

9 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

Why is this franchise in love with injury prone bad to mediocre free agent Oline? Part of the reason why we've had so much turnover at oline for so long . These could be Hurney signings and I wouldn't know the difference . 

At least they're somewhat young and didn't break the bank. That's   about all I can say.  

It wouldn’t be so bad if they were just giving them a chance at depth...but they also seem to start and continually rotate because big men simply don’t heal.

But Hurney did not utilize option years and ‘voidable’ years. In fact his contracts were bulletproof for players. It’s why they loved him so much. It’s why TD and Olsen ran to get more money literally as soon as Gettle was fired lol.

It’s why R Kalil was able to sucker Hurney for a two year extension yet was somehow injured less than halfway through, retired, yet miraculously was able to recover for a big paycheck from the Jets where he...yea was all of a sudden injured again. Probably took notes from Matt. It’s probably why Weatherly didn’t give a poo when he was signed. It was basically free money.

Delomme was signed after an injury that is undefeated in destroying athletes’ careers. Why?

Lots of other examples.

Hell I’m thinking Rhule had the idea of TBs opt out option thank god.

Nah Loomis is far better than Hurney. Hell I think he is an NBA GM too (not sure) lol.

Bottom line, Hurney might as well have been a players agent, he worked for them, Loomis works for the franchise(s).

Pretty sure the Saints will cut Tyson next year and not lose anything but just gain cap this year.

Pretty sure this guy is Hurney’s evil opposite twin 

just amazing

I mean does the dollar amount even matter when it’s all ‘voidable’ lol

Hard to say with a new GM

With Hurney, you know it was a move dooming us for the next several years

Can we now evaluate things outside of being an NC native and loving your mother?

I think most of us have PTSD from Hurney so have to let that go and see what this FO can do

Alice in Chains

Pearljam

Nirvana

Soundgarden

Jimi Hendrix

Charlotte:

Clay Aiken

lol

7 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

And what exactly do you contribute to this forum little one?

Not much. But more than just cam threads. There are literally posters here who have pages and pages of history only posting in cam related threads. It’s the same as when he was here.

You do not find that creepy/weird?

6 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

It’s realistic when it fits your narrative but anyone who objects is a fanboy....got it 

What I stated was not a narrative it’s an observation.

7 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

How can this even be said if he resigned before he could even hit the market ?

that’s the problem, y’all are going a worlds distance to prove to the entire board y’all were right about cam, but the evidence isn’t exactly trending in your favor, look who created the thread lol, it’s us “cam” fans that don’t go creating a thread everytime cam throws a td but let him throw one int you got clowns like the op chomping at the bit to create a thread.

You mean an entire 8 threads offer an NFL season? If cam was doing better you bet your ass the fanboys who don’t contribute anything to this forum except Cam threads were be starting them constantly and you know it.

Cam hit the market last year...

He probably learned from that and took a good deal after a poo show to prove he can do better.

I haven’t seen one cam hater thread all last season, just realistic posts saying he’s done, a fair assumption after 2 years on the bench and a turd in NE.

Maybe he’ll come back. He actually has a superior team and coaching in every aspect in NE other than his putrid WRs, but that and better QB play is literally all NE needs to compete.

13 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

About those "bad" receivers

 

https://www.nfl.com/videos/next-gen-stats-which-teams-wrs-created-most-separation-in-2020

Too 10 defense, top 10 oline, best special teams in the league, a HB with 5 YPC and BB as a coach...

To say no no no cam needs superior weapon talent for the Patriots to win is literally saying Cam needs every single part of a team to be amazing to succeed, literally. And that’s pushing it because of his shoulder. Is cam now a qb you have to build an elite team around? I think so.

The Patriots did not win game because of Cam. He was benched 3 times. Maybe Covid affected him? Maybe he had a bad year? Maybe his arm truly is done? Dunno.

But he was wretched that’s a fact. There’s a reason he was signed a contract like that and @NAS video was spot on.

It’s just weird the analyst see it, Pats see it, and going over to Patriots forums literally thousands of fans and are all in agreement about it.

Then come to the huddle and get the real insight from creepy fanboys lol.

24 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

You're a clown. We all know why you don't like cam 

Derp

go see someone about your insecurities, they’re clearly affecting your life

13 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Sarcasm bro

Yes... I see now. Fail on my part.

“Patriot fans seem excited that Cams back”

wut? Lol

https://patriotsfans.freeforums.net/thread/11186/position-on-cam-newton-changed
 

https://patriotsfans.freeforums.net/thread/11185/newton-apparently-signs-year-deal

https://patriotsfans.freeforums.net/thread/11038/cam-newton-patriots-2021

https://www.patriotsplanet.net/BB/threads/its-cam.69851/

https://nesn.com/2021/03/cam-newton-reportedly-re-signing-with-patriots-gets-mixed-reviews-on-social-media/

I mean I could go on, why the hell would you post some utter bullshit? Fans are rabid at the thought.

4 hours ago, joemac said:

We start making moves like this I firmly believe we win the Super Bowl in the next 3 to 4 years.

If that happens it’ll pretty much be a historical, groundbreaking strategy by building an entire SB caliber oline and entire defense from 3 years worth of FAs lol.

Personally - I’d bet against it.