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4 hours ago, CRA said:

Good for Teddy.  Good for us (fans) 

I think the whole Teddy experiment is a knock on our front office though.   From start to finish.  

It was a mistake and they’re not perfect. It’s not the mistake so much as the recover. They learned quick this was a no go and moved on as fast as humanly possible, that’s important to remember.

No way in the deep depths of hell would JR ever of moved on so quick and risk losing a single cent, dragging it on and on for dear life at the expense of the team and fans. We’ve seen it plenty players and coaches.

The mistake (start) sucked but I disagree, the change of pace (finish) is very nice.

16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Congrats on making the whiniest post in this thread whining about whining.

Congrats, more whining about a post whining about whining.

lord some of you babies whine too damn much, whine because they got rid of washed up cam, whine for signing TB for two years, whine TB sucked, whine about not getting Watson for 3 firsts and 2 seconds,  whine it’s taking Tepper longer than one off-season to find a franchise qb and then whine some more because a first and a second pick may be spent on two different prospects with potential to be next franchise qb

like damn tep burns down beach houses because of people like you

Sewell was never going to make it to us in the first place. He is the obvious first, non qb prospect for really any team that isn’t going to draft a QB. Pitts and Chase are the runner ups but as far as value and talent, Sewell is easily first choice. There are only a few teams with a solidified, high caliber LT in the entire NFL.

That said, I’ve come to accept a trade down is best possibly scenario or Fields if he drops, I won’t be mad at either.

So get yet another top tier CB just to let them walk again. I mean if it was that big of a deal we should’ve just signed a proven player like BB last year and saved the pick.

I’m not refuting the logic but man does it not make them look like a jackass doing that?

On 4/20/2021 at 9:13 AM, MHS831 said:

People just can't see what Jones is bringing to the table because they want this athletic, running QB instead of a field general who can put the ball in the hands of the athletic, running backs, WRs, and TEs.

Gotta remember that’s the culture Cam created, most our fans came from Cam, and I suspect they never knew much about NFL football to begin with let alone the history of the Panthers. Also why a lot of them had no understanding of why Hurney 2.0 was such a bad idea lol.

I think Jones, Lance and Fields are all in the same realm just with very different knocks on each of them.

But personally I like Fields better than the other two. I do not like the idea of Fields going to ATL and sitting behind Ryan for a year or so.

1 hour ago, Aussie Tank said:

This is no where near a Farve/Rodgers situation and Manning was out the door. 

The situation wasn’t the point. The point was to not settle for one guy and always being diligent in finding the next. 
 

I guess technically Grier was this type of move but was dumb.

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're talking like everybody was in favor of that idea.

A lot of us weren't.

I just said people. If I had to guess...I’d say at least 50% of this forum. And that was before the 49ers trade. People seemed to flip poo about the 49ers trade in the thread when it happened because it wasn’t us.

5 hours ago, electro's horse said:

like if sewell is there and they trade down i'm going to pull a sherman on mint street

Sewell is not going to be there. I’d bet a large amount of money on that.

They probably have one guy they’re confident in - Pitts or Slater I don’t know but they are probably feeling things out in case that player is gone.

If ya only have one player that may or may not be there this is the route to go. It doesn’t mean if somehow a player falls they didn’t expect they will still trade down. No reason to freak out.

You also have to consider how the draft plays out and just how valuable that 8 pick may be to another team.

I’d assume if the Panthers do trade down it will happen draft night. If it happens before, yea I’d be scratching my head unless we hustle someone for picks.

15 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

Hearing you but it wouldn’t be a competition. And if it was we would look like fools either way Darnold losses we wasted 3 picks and if he wins we wasted a top 10 selection. 

Why wouldn’t it be a competition? I’m a true believer in it. It’s what Rivera, Fox and Hurney didn’t believe in.

Hell let TB compete too if were fuged cap wise for him anyway (sarcasm mostly).

In all seriousness the Packers didn’t waste a pick when they already had Favre, Colts didn’t for Luck when they already had Manning, Patriots have used 2/3 round for QBs all along Brady’s later years...you keep swinging until you hit. If the Panthers had done this when Cam started getting hurt, who knows we might’ve traded down and gotten Lamar Jackson. Yea that’s another discussion and a lot of speculation but you never know.

I think it’s good for the players to know  there is someone keeping them on their toes. There is absolutely nothing wrong having a lot of young talent for the ‘next man up’ at QB instead of just a backup. It’s what the teams above did, Eagles took Hurts. Despite the picks given up, in no way did Darnold earn his spot as the Panther’s starting QB. Why give him that complacency? 

It’s not that I’d prefer it, as I said I prefer a top LT but I won’t be mad at it, I’d understand it and value the effort. And a trade down while we’re at it? It’s worth it. You keep swinging until you hit.

We have this notion of keeping one QB with talent and never upkeeping the position with talent not placeholders. I wouldn’t mind seeing that changing.

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Exactly. If we used those picks to move up to 5 or 6 and picked Fields no one would blink. This way we also have a young backup with potential no matter who wins the starting spot. Also if Darnold turns out to be great like people on her are suggesting then we can absolutely get a return by trading one of the two.

Yep. Say Fields falls and we draft him. Darnold plays lights out. Fields never plays a game. 

Darnold and Groppolo garnered a second + playing mediocre to bad. You really think Fields couldn’t be traded for at least a second? I’d even say a first in this scenario.

If you watched Jimmy Johnson’s interview he sad a boatload of calls always come in even after the draft for players, thou rarely happen. Doubt those calls are offers for less than what was spent lol.

This isn’t Hurney ball we aren’t clinging on to players for dear life on the cost of millions. I have no doubt Fit would auction off a player of potential for a good return if it presented itself.

It’s worth having insurance IMO, and wouldn’t be mad whatsoever with a QB. Hell a trade down like their talking about for Lance or Fields or Jones and picking up an extra second or even first next year is gold IMO, I’d prefer the best LT at 8 for sure, but I won’t lie saying I wouldn’t be happy with one of the above 3 battling it out with Darnold in camp.

3 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

You just wasted 3 picks on Darnold if you take a QB 

Spending a 2,4, 6, and 1 to find a franchise QB doesn’t worry me.

How can people want to trade 3 firsts and some seconds for one but get their panties in a wad over drafting one to compete with Darnold? lol

They’re only wasted if no one works out out, that is ineptness but placing all bets on Darnold might be too - when you have a shot to pick up someone and Darnold flops. Might be that no one works out, which is possible, but I won’t be mad at the effort or the unknown. 

Shaq did well last year. Statistically speaking he did really well. But he can make some really boneheaded moves, give up big plays, and I can’t help but cringe when he needs to make an open field tackle.

Not saying he isn’t a starter, he is. He’ll need two more years like last year to arguably live up to his paychecks. I said last year he’ll need three more and he delivered.

But for the price, I expected less mistakes. I also don’t feel like he offer much as a consistent leadership role. 

It is a Hurney contract though what can you do? He was fired for a reason. For reference, I mean the second time (eye roll).

3 hours ago, Ship said:

That signing sounds great but I feel like we might be wishing we’d signed him for more than one year 

That would be a nice change of pace from wish we hadn’t signed someone for more than one year.

I feel like and like the option that he plays well and wants to be here, there’s no reason he can’t.

For a Derek Anderson type role? Sure. But I don’t think Smith is there yet...mentally. But he should be. Clearly loves the game.

I can’t say I’ve say I watched every game for every team but I am an NFL junkie. I love Monday and Thursday night football because going a whole week without any football is dreadful. I watch every gam I get on Sunday plus a couple on my two computers that are out of network. So that’s what...roughly 60+ games or so that aren’t the Panthers?

So not an expert by any means, but I can confidently say the Panthers oline, comparatively speaking, routinely looks like garbage compared to other teams.

From my own perspective I’d guess the Panthers ranked in the bottom 2/3d’s of the league (around 18-20) which is pretty much on par with PFF.

Any of watching or metrics can be picked apart, fact is more of the NFL than not have an oline that looks AND ranks better, from my perspective and PFF ratings.

The only thing separating us from the bottom 5 is Moton. 

Considering you’re not going anywhere without being top 1/3 of the NFL unless you’re breaking records or have a HOF qb, it doesn’t really matter.

It’s like having a decent defense. It doesn’t really matter. It needs to be one of the best.

6 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

PFF is the end all be all for o-line rankings?

 

From a run blocking stand point I think he had a top 10 line, from a pass blocking stand point it was bottom 10. We haven’t a good pass blocking line since Cam’s rookie season imo

Who/what do you use for oline rankings? The OP used PFF and so I used the same metrics for comparison.

Too often I see PFF bashing and by all means if there is a better source please share. Unfortunately complaining is easier than actually offering an alternative.

So unless there are other metrics we want to compare, why complain? Show me other metrics and open discussion. Otherwise what is the point?

This forum loves PFF when it proves their point and bashes it when it doesn’t.  No metrics are perfect and can be picked apart. Oline in particular is very hard to judge.

9 minutes ago, BigTeddyFan said:

Agree that Teddy will be on the Panthers roster, and if Teddy’s on the roster he will start most of the games because there’s no way Sam will be more effective than Teddy would be.

You’re trying way too hard at trolling.

Could’ve just bumped/updated one of the many threads from 2017

Fields no. Lance meh.

It’d be very stupid to pass on fields and just give Darnold zero competition.

Zero competition is what led the Panthers to 5 winning seasons in 25 years or whatever. No fairness no favorites.

It’s also the reason the Panthers are a year, maybe 2, late looking for a new qb.

It does come down to value as well though. So I can see an argument for Lance at 8. But if Fields is there (doubtful) they better draft him.

35 minutes ago, Trainwreck said:

The oline wasn’t that bad. Teddy just sucked. 

Funny because when cam’s oline averaged better throughout his career no one seemed to say his oline was never that bad for his career;

2011 - 7th

2012 - 27th

2013 - 7th

2014 - 22nd

2015 - 2nd

2016 - 17th

2017 - 10th

Avg: 17th

2018 - 17th (doesn’t matter limited playing)

Avg: 17th

2019 - 8th (doesn’t matter no playing)

Hmmmmm by saying the oline wasn’t that bad and TB just sucked I wonder what this means for the oline over cam’s career?

Probably a good idea to know what you’re looking at.

Considering almost no one goes to the super bowl or even deep playoffs without a top ten oline in the past two decades, yea 18 is pretty bad.

Probably need to understand that before saying 18 isn’t that bad. There is not a lot that separates the bottom tier olines in football (big drop off). It’s ironically like saying TB didn’t rank that bad last season altogether. Except when you realize you need an above average QB to really go anywhere. Oline is just as, actually even more, important.

Lastly if you have a stud like Moton, it skews things. For some teams losing 2-3 olineman make or break them, for the Panther’s, it’s just one near perfect player/anomaly keeping us above water. One. Out of 5. That’s bad.

Sorry but 2020 was a result of TB and the Oline playing like garbage aside from Moton. And cam had a garbage oline average as well. 

51 minutes ago, unicar15 said:

Huh? The Bengals took a tackle in the 1st?

Think he meant 2019...and he was hurt then, shoulder and now his knee is fuged, multiple surgeries and hasn’t played a full season. Big men don’t heal, they just don’t. Lots of talent, showed some flashes but who cares, he is made of glass.

Bengals will be complete idiots to look at that, after securing their franchise QB, after said franchise QB got hurt due to poo oline, to not draft Sewell. Sorry I just don’t believe it.

If something weird happens and a top qb falls (unlikely) I really don’t care about Darnold’s feelings and the Panthers better draft him. 

Darnold can feel bad or put in the time to legitimately compete with new competition. I think he’ll do the latter.

Can’t expect to be in top 10 every draft and Rhule already said he doesn’t believe in being ‘fair’ as a coach, which I loved.

That said I doubt anyone worth the risk will fall. And no, that’s not Lance or Jones. Basically Fields.

2 hours ago, frankw said:

Are you okay? Why do you have so much anger for players who are the ones actually risking themselves for entertainment and not the billionaires who hold fans over a barrel with things like psls whether the franchise is good or bad? On top of all that the same billionaires expect taxpayers to foot the bill for what amounts to a gigantic billion dollar amusement park.

Not anger just pointing out it goes both ways.

I am for the business being coat throat and the players just the same, they both have the same right and neither should matter it’s a business.

Was pointing out franchises letting players walk gets more attention than players choosing to walk when it’s business all the same.

Salary is a different topic.