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    Panthers Free Agent Signings Thread

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    9 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

    Why is this franchise in love with injury prone bad to mediocre free agent Oline? Part of the reason why we've had so much turnover at oline for so long . These could be Hurney signings and I wouldn't know the difference . 

    At least they're somewhat young and didn't break the bank. That's   about all I can say.  

    It wouldn’t be so bad if they were just giving them a chance at depth...but they also seem to start and continually rotate because big men simply don’t heal.

    Breaking: Saints are signing Taysom Hill to a 4-year, $140 million contract extension

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    Posted · Edited by onmyown

    But Hurney did not utilize option years and ‘voidable’ years. In fact his contracts were bulletproof for players. It’s why they loved him so much. It’s why TD and Olsen ran to get more money literally as soon as Gettle was fired lol.

    It’s why R Kalil was able to sucker Hurney for a two year extension yet was somehow injured less than halfway through, retired, yet miraculously was able to recover for a big paycheck from the Jets where he...yea was all of a sudden injured again. Probably took notes from Matt. It’s probably why Weatherly didn’t give a poo when he was signed. It was basically free money.

    Delomme was signed after an injury that is undefeated in destroying athletes’ careers. Why?

    Lots of other examples.

    Hell I’m thinking Rhule had the idea of TBs opt out option thank god.

    Nah Loomis is far better than Hurney. Hell I think he is an NBA GM too (not sure) lol.

    Bottom line, Hurney might as well have been a players agent, he worked for them, Loomis works for the franchise(s).

    Pretty sure the Saints will cut Tyson next year and not lose anything but just gain cap this year.

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    Patriot fans seem excited that Cams back

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    7 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

    And what exactly do you contribute to this forum little one?

    Not much. But more than just cam threads. There are literally posters here who have pages and pages of history only posting in cam related threads. It’s the same as when he was here.

    You do not find that creepy/weird?

    6 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

    It’s realistic when it fits your narrative but anyone who objects is a fanboy....got it 

    What I stated was not a narrative it’s an observation.

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    Patriot fans seem excited that Cams back

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    7 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

    How can this even be said if he resigned before he could even hit the market ?

    that’s the problem, y’all are going a worlds distance to prove to the entire board y’all were right about cam, but the evidence isn’t exactly trending in your favor, look who created the thread lol, it’s us “cam” fans that don’t go creating a thread everytime cam throws a td but let him throw one int you got clowns like the op chomping at the bit to create a thread.

    You mean an entire 8 threads offer an NFL season? If cam was doing better you bet your ass the fanboys who don’t contribute anything to this forum except Cam threads were be starting them constantly and you know it.

    Cam hit the market last year...

    He probably learned from that and took a good deal after a poo show to prove he can do better.

    I haven’t seen one cam hater thread all last season, just realistic posts saying he’s done, a fair assumption after 2 years on the bench and a turd in NE.

    Maybe he’ll come back. He actually has a superior team and coaching in every aspect in NE other than his putrid WRs, but that and better QB play is literally all NE needs to compete.

    Patriot fans seem excited that Cams back

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    13 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

    About those "bad" receivers

     

    https://www.nfl.com/videos/next-gen-stats-which-teams-wrs-created-most-separation-in-2020

    Too 10 defense, top 10 oline, best special teams in the league, a HB with 5 YPC and BB as a coach...

    To say no no no cam needs superior weapon talent for the Patriots to win is literally saying Cam needs every single part of a team to be amazing to succeed, literally. And that’s pushing it because of his shoulder. Is cam now a qb you have to build an elite team around? I think so.

    The Patriots did not win game because of Cam. He was benched 3 times. Maybe Covid affected him? Maybe he had a bad year? Maybe his arm truly is done? Dunno.

    But he was wretched that’s a fact. There’s a reason he was signed a contract like that and @NAS video was spot on.

    It’s just weird the analyst see it, Pats see it, and going over to Patriots forums literally thousands of fans and are all in agreement about it.

    Then come to the huddle and get the real insight from creepy fanboys lol.

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    Be the judge of the film

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    Posted · Edited by onmyown

    21 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

    What QB did we have the opportunity to draft in '19? '20? Did you really want Jordan Love at #7? I sure as hell didn't.

    First of all the point is to look. I don’t believe the Panthers were even looking. Especially with the wear and tear put on Cam. People are willing to trade a poo ton for Watson and even to move up in this draft but those efforts to find a QB were 3 years removed from cam and 4 years removed from his first surgery...to me, that seems a little late considering the time it’ll take to find one.

    Are those trades ‘opportunities’ or just scenarios we can go get our guy. Who is to say what ‘opportunities’ there was in the past either  in the draft or FA when the team wasn’t even looking with the same said efforts.

    I could come up with a whole bunch or hypothetical, theoretical sceneries for the past had the Panthers been willing to give up what they will now, after the fact - it’s not the point.

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    Be the judge of the film

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    Posted · Edited by onmyown

    8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

    You don't give up on a franchise QB until you're sure he isn't salvageable and now we're seeing why that is. They don't exactly grow on trees.

    You still should be always looking.

    Hell how many QBs has Belicheck drafted in the top half of the draft with a healthy Brady? GB and Love and Rodgers before him...these teams have some forethought, Tepper did not.

    Thats the whole point they don’t grow on trees. Meaning 1. Always should be looking. 2. It may take time. My main points.

    And no I don’t count Hurney’s fetish for hometown hero’s (Grier).

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    Be the judge of the film

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    Posted · Edited by onmyown

    4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

    Tepper is going into year three and still hasn't seen his team field a high quality QB. Cam was already broken by the time Tepper bought the team. He's feeling desperation.

    True, seems like he just can’t win with the fans. Kept cam on the bench hoping he’d heal for 2+ years without a second thought about investing in a new QB, then was berated by fans saying he did Cam wrong.

    Would've been nice to move on earlier. Same can be said with Rivera and Hurney.

    I’ll chalk that up to his learning curve, but it still doesn’t mean landing a QB won’t take time. Hope he keeps his head in the game, getting desperate results in bad moves....I mean that’s why we have TB.

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    Be the judge of the film

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    7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

    We've reached the point of desperation. We see a Watson trade is increasingly unlikely to work out for us. We see there's more and more smoke that all of the "big four" QB prospects may well be gone by #8. So now we're grasping at straws trying to convince ourselves that a Mac Jones or Mitch Trubisky could actually be the answer.

    Fug.

    I hope not. On year removed from a franchise qb and were are desperate? I like to believe we’re just taking our lumps right now. It may realistically take a little while to land a franchise QB...just like well almost any other team that has one.

    All I am hoping is by the time he arrives our oline and defense case rise out of the bottom third of the NFL.

    Was the Gettleman's 2017 draft class the best in Panthers history?

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    The thing to remember here, JR did not hire and fire people based on results.

    Sure DG might not have lasted, maybe he should of stuck around until JR was gone...hell we’d be a couple years ahead of the JR, HC, GM and Cam were all replaced at the same time.

    Could’ve even been McD and Beane here instead.

    Biggest failure here not learning when to let go, something DG had down. 
     

    Anyone who has followed this team for a while knows the dumbass Kalil signing was a pure JR ‘family’ move appeasing his fan favorites. Such an erratic move that conflicted with everything and anything DG did and his style made that painfully obvious.

    Oh well spilled milk. At least the new tenure seems to finally catch the hint that moving on quick from failure is important and things don’t need to be dragged out.

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    This might explain a lot

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    13 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

    Probably not. 

    Charlotte getting an NFL team was not a formality and having the right person at the helm to lead the effort cannot be underestimated --- George Shinn filled the same role in bringing the Hornets to the CLT.

    Luck is the byproduct of hard work.  Jer' earned his position as the designated owner...his partners were the ones who got lucky!

    I've was never a fan of Jer' and got a big kick out of it when the PSL owners took out the full-page ad in The Disturber but there is nothing "unfortunate" about the Panthers or Jer's involvement as it goes to NC and SC.

     

    An NFL to the Carolinas had more probability to exist without JR than it did without PSL owners willing to build a stadium and tax payers willing to pay for a team, as well as what the NFL saw as an areas that would generate demand.

    With that in mind, it was unfortunate an owner who cared more about business than winning was that person designated. I don’t think any owner ‘earned’ money from the locals to finance a team. I also don’t see it as some sort of ‘effort’.

    It was simply a profitable business opportunity and without JR it would have just been someone else.

    This might explain a lot

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    Posted · Edited by onmyown

    4 minutes ago, 54th man said:

    Even though he was wrong I am forever grateful to the man for bringing the nfl to the Carolinas. Sweet logo sweet colors sweet foundation. Oh well

    One man cannot possibly do that. PSL owners, demand, and tax payers made the Carolina Panthers a reality.

    If it wasn’t JR it would’ve been another person. Because the former 3 things (a local market and one willing to pay for a team) were there. 

    JR was just the guy who was able to own it. Lucky for him. Unfortunate for the Carolinas.

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    This might explain a lot

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    13 minutes ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

    Was there ever a man more interested in the bottom line?

    53120292401014430421003476992_19ff7746ec

    Exactly. JR cared about revenue first and foremost...of course the draft was all about who got paid most lol.

    It’s really was a shame is he was the owner for 20 years.

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    Weatherly Admits to Getting “Complacent” After Signing with Carolina

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    3 hours ago, musicman said:

    i don't think that's on Hurney. I got it as he showed promise and you give him some money and he gets fat  and lazy and he admits it. We can say that with all pros we've given nice contracts too. It's like every player who does great in his "contract year" and then tanks or levels off. 

    Don’t know....it’s be a very weird correlation between contracts Hurney gives out and hell even players he drafts that all of sudden become complacent and siphon the team for money, reward money, injury money, and farewell money, I was going to list examples but that’s take a while...

    Thats per of the evaluation process though, and the GM is he person doing the evaluating. The Patriots, who dominated Super Bowls in the last 20 years for example cut ties very quickly, don’t give players injury and reward contracts, they’re the anti-Hurney in every sense.

    Sure it’s not perfect, but it’s on the GM evaluation abilities when players constantly get paid, or injured, or go pas their prime...then all of a sudden DGAF.

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