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I don’t think it’s a dynasty in comparison. 3 winning seasons in a decade vs. 1. I think the Jets (and Jags) are much more similar to the Panthers since inception than Panther fans are willing to admit as far as games won and winning season. In fact I’d argue they’re closer than any other team in the NFL since 95. I suppose the super bowl appearances are the differences but the Jets made the conference 2 times and the Jags 3 times... And the wins losses differences are marginal. So are amount of winning seasons. Panthers are almost always competitive every 4 years and then flop since existence. Jags and Jets have spurts. It’s odd to me how much our fanbase laughs at these two other teams...it’s really ironic. I sidetracked but my point is to say he’ll do better here because the Jets were trash...compared to the Panthers you’re talking about trash that smells like poo and trash that is only moderately offending.

It’s 40 million. And TB ranked where he is paid in 2020, respectively. In 2021 he more than likely wouldn’t have or will not likely rank where he was paid. So you’re essentially complaining about 1 year overpaid bad contract. If Donald doesn’t work out, yea it’s shitty to waste a second rounder. But I can see how not acknowledging the details makes an agenda sound more melodramatic. Ultimtley though, he hasn’t made a devastating move yet, which is good. But he/they will need to make a progressive move and the inability to do that would for me be the ‘hot seat’. Teams go years without franchise QBs. There are so many examples I don’t even know where to begin. It’s going to take time. As others have posted I think a competitive team and playoffs need to be a given in 2023.

What if Sam turns out to be mediocre?

5th year option is fully guaranteed. That said is a top qb falls I fully expect the Panthers to take him. As the GM said this simply gives the Panthers options. They’re not betting one falls but they have a back up plan with more potential than TB in case one doesn’t. That’s all it is really, wouldn’t read into it much further.

It’s actually worse than that - they haven’t neglected the oline since the Gross/Kalil era, they’ve just been completely inept at addressing it.

Reading the JETS forums they’re ecstatic about this balls

Nah...lol TB had a LOT more supporters. The best Darnold is getting here is ‘no other options’, or ‘well at least he didn’t cost a lot’. TB on the other hand I’d say was 90% optimistic he’d win some games.

I am not a fan of Darnold at all but what exactly would you have done? Throwing things hoping one sticks vs. what exactly? Picking a route you know if a sure fire way to get a franchise QB? What would that look like exactly? There is no for sure way. I suspect the Panthers felt the Jets out for their pick while in talks and clearly they’re not trading it. Falcons aren’t giving it to us either. 49ers are a team built to be able to give what they did for that pick but even still they’ll break NFL history if it works out: 2018, Jets traded up to No. 3 for Sam Darnold 2017, Bears traded up to No. 2 for Mitchell Trubisky 2016, Rams traded up to No. 1 for Jared Goff 2016, Eagles traded up to No. 2 for Carson Wentz 2012, Washington traded up to No. 2 for Robert Griffin III Again not really a fan but there isn’t exactly a plethora of options. Could've offered more for Stafford I guess but at least they tried, and to be honest, I’m glad more than 8 overall wasn’t offered for Stafford. For myself I am debating if they should’ve just put TB out there as a lame duck, the same they should’ve done with Cam, and saved the cap/draft capital. But it’s a low risk situation. I hope if for some reason a QB falls they take him.

Correct me if I’m wrong but picking up a 5th option makes Darnold 12 mil per year for two years and TB was essentially 20 mil per year for two years. It’s not the worst in the world, but these things add up. We’re essentially paying 32 million this year at the QB position and don’t have a solid QB (that we know will work out). If we go into 2022 and Darnold doesn’t work out we will still be paying someone else plus no draft picks. Its Greta to continually try to find the answer IF the answer is eventually found. But these costs will start to add up. Cap and money may not matter to much but draft picks most certainly do. I am thinking they’ll give Darnold MUCH more time (2+ years) to produce than they ever would TB, which makes sense. The costs at this time is low and potential is high so it’s not so bad right now and most importantly we are not stuck. And this is what it takes to find the franchise QB. Only time will tell.

He did have the 29th ranked oline and 26th defense last year. Darnold’s oline has never been ranked above 24 lol. Even for Panther standards that’s bad (ours in that time was right at 18). Looks like he’ll upgrade a few spots with the Panthers. Good new is he learned how to run away with the Jets. In all seriousness I think the biggest take away is the FO’s willingness to move on so quick unlike the past regime. Kind of a double edged sword though because the capital lost starts to add up. We are now paying TB and Darnold ...and down some picks. If Darnold flops this year and tray and find another answer next year we will start digging a hole. Darnold being better than Teddy seems the be the biggest positive people are talking about. But that does make any sense unless you’re butthurt, being better than TB doesn’t mean he’s good enough. And if he’s not good enough as I said the cost to find the right guys will slowly add up. Could be that even if Darnold flops this year the Panthers will give him more time than TB. He is young and has had poo coaching. The boneheaded mistakes he made could be chalked up to his atrocious oline and bad coaching later on.

Panthers average 6 wins the last three years, so yea you’ll tend to see that. But I guess if we make that half a decade we can bump that sucker up to 6.8.

He’ll be running around in Panthers backfield instead of NY unless we fix the line. And we will still need a QB. Difference is we will be in that position after next year without picks and money paying TB AND Darnold we could’ve rolled over lol. Alright Mr. Tepper I always said I would be patient and wait and see but your recent moves are fuging mind boggling.

Exactly what I’ve been saying all along. BYU oline program is one of the best. They’re proud it it. And they destroy weaker competition. Which allowed Wilson to time which he used to run around and make on the move throws. This is my biggest concern with him. I. The NFL he will definitely have to adjust and learn some technical footwork because he won’t be running from subpar college competition.

Wow giving up picks to get the 4th/5th best qb in the draft? lol And it’s not just one spot value, going to have to offer more than the other teams

Sure would be nice to start paying our draft picks who turned out to be studs instead seeing them walk for nothing. and instead paying shitty valued positions like LB and RB and/or injured olineman and/or washed up fan favorite farewell tours. I’d be ok paying a pass rusher. I’d be less ok, but still ok, getting some picks for him and not pay him if for some reason him (or a player) wasn’t going to be a fit going forward.

That’s sad the courts control your thoughts. Innocent until guilty is a proceeding l, a right to due process, not a mentality and excuse to not use your own brain. O.J. is and was guilty. People are often innocent and/or guilty despite what courts rule. Also evidence is the primary (but not all encompassing) difference between sexual assault and blackmail not a criminal or civil suit or even if there isn’t at any court filings period. Hence the DA being able to take a civil suit criminal by reviewing the evidence which still may happen.

The DA can still investigate this as criminal in collaboration with the jury and evidence revealed in court.

Probably in the minority but personally I don’t get the love for Lance. Don’t like Jones. I like Fields and Lawrence. I honestly don’t know what to think of Wilson but I have a feeling he will not be all that great. So personally Lawrence and Fields are the best to me. Wilson is a wild card and Lance/Jones are an afterthought. We will have a chance at a stud at 8 though, easily. Might not be a QB and I’m ok with that. Don’t want a LB or TE (as much as I love Pitts) though. At that spot and with Fields, Lawrence and Wilson gone you have to take a top OT or DE no question IMO.

but we already have TB

Dunno...I think the Dolphins have more promise than anyone in the league. They just need some threats and a QB. Unloke what some believe here the Panthers are not just a qb away. Their oline was invested in and is slowly tuning around. One good offensive weapon and a decent qb and they’ll compete with the Bills. And Tua still has time to prove something...that really just leaves some weapons. Not a lot of holes to fill with a bazillion first rounders. If they fug this up someone is really fuging shut up over there.

Desperate enough to swap picks, then trade next year’s first, this year’s second and in some of their minds, all that plus 2023 first. To move up two spots...lol I have faith we’re not this stupid. I believe the calculated value is like a second this year and maybe something like a third next year. It’s the offseason and not much going on - so their discussion is good for some laughs: https://finheaven.com/threads/what-do-you-want-from-panthers.365555/

There are three things super bowl contenders have in common since Panthers inception...in order (season stats, not post season) 1. Top defense 2. Top oline 3. Top qb There are anomalies but what’s also interesting are QB stats from Super Bowls/playoffs. For the most part they’re atrocious. Perhaps because in these games both teams ‘play smart’ for the majority of the game. The only success if 1 and 2 are missing is a HOF qb. Brady skews a lot of these points but, usually 1 or 2 is a year by year thing. So 3 offers consistency. There is a reason it’s the ‘85 Bears or 00’ Ravens or 19’ 49ers. They simply don’t last. They’re harder to put together. So while 1 and 2 are more in common, 3 has has the chance of consistency. 1 and 2 involve 17 players, not one. However, if you can put together a top defense and top oline you will be a contender even with average QB play. Numerous examples. Great QB play and poor defense and oline will never make you competitive. It just doesn’t happen, there are no examples. HOF does not equal Super Bowls. It’s just much much easier to do it with one. A top defense is what equals Super Bowls. There is just absolutely no way around that. And oline. Both more than QB. There are only 3-4 examples of a poor defense going to the SB and all examples include a HOF QB or Eli Manning going super sayan on the pats OR the defense someone became elite in the post season after being trash in the regular season.

Are people saying start Pj to tank? or do people actually think there is more to see from him? cause lol

Unless it’s a rookie or someone on the roster, I’d rather just go with TB and rollover the money and plan for next year. No point in spending money on something that most likely won’t work out. There was nothing about last years putrid team that trails me they’re one off-season from being a legit playoff contender. As long as the next move at QB isn’t another stupid one, we’ll be fine. People are so set on instant gratification, they’d rather just keep piling on the BS. I’ll take a delayed, overdue smart move over a quick stupid move. Accept the fact the team isn’t ready anyways and hope for a smart move.