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For a Derek Anderson type role? Sure. But I don’t think Smith is there yet...mentally. But he should be. Clearly loves the game.

I can’t say I’ve say I watched every game for every team but I am an NFL junkie. I love Monday and Thursday night football because going a whole week without any football is dreadful. I watch every gam I get on Sunday plus a couple on my two computers that are out of network. So that’s what...roughly 60+ games or so that aren’t the Panthers?

So not an expert by any means, but I can confidently say the Panthers oline, comparatively speaking, routinely looks like garbage compared to other teams.

From my own perspective I’d guess the Panthers ranked in the bottom 2/3d’s of the league (around 18-20) which is pretty much on par with PFF.

Any of watching or metrics can be picked apart, fact is more of the NFL than not have an oline that looks AND ranks better, from my perspective and PFF ratings.

The only thing separating us from the bottom 5 is Moton. 

Considering you’re not going anywhere without being top 1/3 of the NFL unless you’re breaking records or have a HOF qb, it doesn’t really matter.

It’s like having a decent defense. It doesn’t really matter. It needs to be one of the best.

6 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

PFF is the end all be all for o-line rankings?

 

From a run blocking stand point I think he had a top 10 line, from a pass blocking stand point it was bottom 10. We haven’t a good pass blocking line since Cam’s rookie season imo

Who/what do you use for oline rankings? The OP used PFF and so I used the same metrics for comparison.

Too often I see PFF bashing and by all means if there is a better source please share. Unfortunately complaining is easier than actually offering an alternative.

So unless there are other metrics we want to compare, why complain? Show me other metrics and open discussion. Otherwise what is the point?

This forum loves PFF when it proves their point and bashes it when it doesn’t.  No metrics are perfect and can be picked apart. Oline in particular is very hard to judge.

9 minutes ago, BigTeddyFan said:

Agree that Teddy will be on the Panthers roster, and if Teddy’s on the roster he will start most of the games because there’s no way Sam will be more effective than Teddy would be.

You’re trying way too hard at trolling.

Could’ve just bumped/updated one of the many threads from 2017

Fields no. Lance meh.

It’d be very stupid to pass on fields and just give Darnold zero competition.

Zero competition is what led the Panthers to 5 winning seasons in 25 years or whatever. No fairness no favorites.

It’s also the reason the Panthers are a year, maybe 2, late looking for a new qb.

It does come down to value as well though. So I can see an argument for Lance at 8. But if Fields is there (doubtful) they better draft him.

35 minutes ago, Trainwreck said:

The oline wasn’t that bad. Teddy just sucked. 

Funny because when cam’s oline averaged better throughout his career no one seemed to say his oline was never that bad for his career;

2011 - 7th

2012 - 27th

2013 - 7th

2014 - 22nd

2015 - 2nd

2016 - 17th

2017 - 10th

Avg: 17th

2018 - 17th (doesn’t matter limited playing)

Avg: 17th

2019 - 8th (doesn’t matter no playing)

Hmmmmm by saying the oline wasn’t that bad and TB just sucked I wonder what this means for the oline over cam’s career?

Probably a good idea to know what you’re looking at.

Considering almost no one goes to the super bowl or even deep playoffs without a top ten oline in the past two decades, yea 18 is pretty bad.

Probably need to understand that before saying 18 isn’t that bad. There is not a lot that separates the bottom tier olines in football (big drop off). It’s ironically like saying TB didn’t rank that bad last season altogether. Except when you realize you need an above average QB to really go anywhere. Oline is just as, actually even more, important.

Lastly if you have a stud like Moton, it skews things. For some teams losing 2-3 olineman make or break them, for the Panther’s, it’s just one near perfect player/anomaly keeping us above water. One. Out of 5. That’s bad.

Sorry but 2020 was a result of TB and the Oline playing like garbage aside from Moton. And cam had a garbage oline average as well. 

51 minutes ago, unicar15 said:

Huh? The Bengals took a tackle in the 1st?

Think he meant 2019...and he was hurt then, shoulder and now his knee is fuged, multiple surgeries and hasn’t played a full season. Big men don’t heal, they just don’t. Lots of talent, showed some flashes but who cares, he is made of glass.

Bengals will be complete idiots to look at that, after securing their franchise QB, after said franchise QB got hurt due to poo oline, to not draft Sewell. Sorry I just don’t believe it.

If something weird happens and a top qb falls (unlikely) I really don’t care about Darnold’s feelings and the Panthers better draft him. 

Darnold can feel bad or put in the time to legitimately compete with new competition. I think he’ll do the latter.

Can’t expect to be in top 10 every draft and Rhule already said he doesn’t believe in being ‘fair’ as a coach, which I loved.

That said I doubt anyone worth the risk will fall. And no, that’s not Lance or Jones. Basically Fields.

2 hours ago, frankw said:

Are you okay? Why do you have so much anger for players who are the ones actually risking themselves for entertainment and not the billionaires who hold fans over a barrel with things like psls whether the franchise is good or bad? On top of all that the same billionaires expect taxpayers to foot the bill for what amounts to a gigantic billion dollar amusement park.

Not anger just pointing out it goes both ways.

I am for the business being coat throat and the players just the same, they both have the same right and neither should matter it’s a business.

Was pointing out franchises letting players walk gets more attention than players choosing to walk when it’s business all the same.

Salary is a different topic.

2 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

True. 

While Darnold certainly wasn't hired for his Q&A prowess, he should have enough money squirreled away by now to afford a public speaking coach.  If I were Tepper, I'd hire one for him ASAP.  Shouldn't take too much effort to clean up his verbal pauses and it would make his press conferences a lot less painful to endure.

I think every QB the Panthers have ever had were painful to watch in one way or another. I don’t think Darnold was any less. He’s 23, becoming an adult will help.

Historically speaking, poor olines have destroyed promising qbs or made good ones ineffective much much more than a good qb has been able to play effectively with a garbage oline, and the few who have over the last 25 years are HOF QBs (Manning).

14 minutes ago, Toomers said:

More sense than just actually seeing if he improves any before handing him another 20M. This is the thinking that rationalized Teddy’s deal as a good one. 

Makes sense because trading 3 draft picks, including a second, for the youngest qb ever to start in the NFL who will clearly need more time than one year to show anything.

With this logic Allen would’ve been cut in Buffalo after his first year.

If he shows promise and you don’t pick up the 5th year, you have 2 options a tag or a new contact that will be 1. Longer than just one more year and 2. Probably much more expensive. If he improves you won’t just be ‘handing him 20 million’, since the option has to be taken before the season, you’ll be offering him more than that.

So yea, logically it makes the most sense. If you’re already investing draft picks, do it right, the picks were more valuable than the cap.

Trading a second rounder for a 1 year 23 year old former top five pick on a 1 year rental is just dumb.

So when FA players chase the money 99% of the time are they more worried about their team’s feelings or business?

That’s the issue - players never want to hear the screwed over a team by doing this yet the real butthurt comes out when a franchise let’s them go.

It truly is a business just like any job - the it’s a family atmospheres where they keep a shitty employee because of anything other than business are fuging hell to work for, no thanks.

Fans say but what about player relations? I say yea what about the relations with the younger, promising players who get fuged with zero playing time because of a vet/fan favorite bias? 

Lord knows Rivera and Fox to a lesser extent had some long ass lists of those. 

22 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

They can restructure the contract to spread the hit evenly.

Speculation has been that this is the plan.

This would make the most sense.

that’s what? 15 mil a season?

3 hours ago, BigAggieLean. said:

Why I love going to games when we play the falcons here in Atlanta. My child’s mother’s sister is a falcons season ticket holder, and invites me out to the tailgates. Always a great time, with some of the best food and drink I’ve had at a stadium.

For sure, Atlanta puts JRs regurgitated bojangles grease and reheated pizzas to shame. And their clubs are amazing, I literally walked by players in and out of the game.

Now that I think of it BOA is the worst out of any stadium I’ve been to (Cowboys, AZ, LV), but it is old.

I’m sure the bleachers in GB are worse and the nastalgia of it has to war off real quick...

Also - Darnold holds the record as the youngest QB ever to start...or not start...in the modern NFL (50/60 years or whatever).

I know SA is a talking head but I enjoy some of his takes.

Never a fan of Darnold but there is a small percent of home that thinks just maybe he does have something. It’s not as big as the percent that doesn’t see him in a SB ever but...it’s still there. There is a lot of valid points other than just him that led to his demise.

We shall see.

2 hours ago, Mr. Herbert said:

He lost me at having an offensive line.

You have to remember the Jets oline for several years has been competing for 32 in the NFL. (Panthers are 18/19 to reference).

I’m known to hate on our oline since Kalil retired but the Jets oline garbage play on on another level and world than the Panthers. I know...shocking.

Oline or Dline with pick 8.

As much as I love Pitts, you go with Sewell. The value and need are there.

4 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

What are you talking about? Dude was the best center we have ever had and so what if Injuries caught up to him in his 30’s....that happenS to about 99 percent of all players at some point. He may of recommended his brother but he wasn’t the fugging GM. That’s on Gettleman not him as a player. What would you expect? Him to say his brother was terrible? 

You missed the point, I’m not talking about his prime, he siphoned 2 teams for farewell money he knew full well he wasn’t going to earn - the writing is on the damn wall. Look at his history comments, they’re along the lines of his brother, pretending to be 100% for money. Bullshit. And it hurt my favorite team.

And yea that was on the GM but it was still stupid/shady of him to do and his recommendation for his brother was stupid too, regardless of what he was suppose to do or not. Him and his brother siphoned money from teams. 

A player like how CJ went out is much more respectable in my option. Just because he is a fan favorite doesn’t give him a pass. Yea great watching him in his prime but he fleeced the team in different ways and with that, his opinion are BS.
 

R Kalil is a joke. Whined about a retirement deal after injury then played some games but couldn’t finish because of said injuries, then all of a sudden become 100% to sign with the Jets for some more big money and wouldn’t ya know it was all of a sudden was too injured to play that year. And lobbied for his garbage brother to do the exact thing to the Panthers.

He’s an idiot.

1 minute ago, bobowilson said:

I'm not sure there are any QBs who started like Darnold who ever had good careers in the NFL.

He might have to pull off a first in NFL history.

Panther fans love the idea of breaking records.

For instance the notion we would’ve made the playoffs with a good QB las year, would have set records because of how atrocious our entire team was. Just hasn’t happened.

Not a fan of Darnold but he does have a record, and that’s being the youngest qb to start in the modern nfl. Had crappy coaching.

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

 Jonah Williams is only in his 3rd year. And played solid. It’s one of the few positions they don’t have a huge hole. 
 

  Burrow is probably campaigning for Chase, as you said. It’s as much as a need as they have. Doesn’t hurt to sleep him happy. 
 

   Now, I’m taking Sewell, or trading back. But those are reasons not to. Take Sewell and move Williams to RT/G. Which is where I still think his long term value is. 

Jonah Williams is made of glass though. Big olineman just don’t heal. Sat out his draft year in 2019 because he was already injured/surgery coming in to the NFL and then couldn’t finish last year due to more (different) injuries. First his shoulder and now his knee.

He appears to me as more of a reason they pick Sewell than not. He could always be moved to RT.

Guess it looks depends on how they see Williams coming along with his knee rehab but if I was a Bengals fan no way I’d pass on Sewell for Chase.

Can someone please explain to me any reasonable 1 point argument Cincy would not be taking Sewell?

And a player of lobbying for another player is not reasonable.

4th is reasonable since/if the Panthers eat most of his cap.

Also if you plan on saying or looking at it like we got Darnold minus what we got for TB, I feel like you’d have to ADD the money we will pay TB to not be on the roster. Can’t have the best of both worlds.

In which case Darnold will cost what? 19/20 mil average for two years?

Though I’d say ya can’t really look at it like that anyways.

I think the biggest plus in compensation for TB won’t be a pick it will be getting rid of some of the money he’d be owed if he stayed. Not sure what that is.