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So much info and food for thought. All I know is no more college coaches. Whenever I see a thread like this from Mr. Scot, before opening it I grab a nice glass of scotch or bourbon and start googling. These are the quality threads this place need, it’d take me weeks to find out all this stuff and make a thread if it was even possible. I doubt he even uses google…prolly writes it up on the toilet

You cannot underestimate the talent he had. The 2015 season for example I remember very fondly as any Panther fan would. It was pure talent overcoming ineffective coaching/scheming time and time again, game after game. A lot of that was Shula, but that team was so good it wasn’t only defeating the opponents, often times it was defeating its own coaching.

There are very very few HCs that go beyond 10 years with one team, it’s almost unheard of. And it certainly does not consist of coaches not being able to win back to back season or who average 8 wins a season over that span with a team full of talent. Ron does best when his back is against the wall and he is forced to make moves. Aka injured starters, losing record etc. Notice once the WFT started losing he started taking big risks in games. I think he goes for it on 4th more than any other HC, or is in top 5. Ron has grit. He will rally poor talent. He will make anyone soft tougher, he won’t have a really poo 1-2 win season. However when he has choices, when he has options, and he must evaluate…he will fail. He cannot and will not adapt when his way does not work. His and Fox’s mantra has always been screw mismatches, schemes, or attacking vulnerabilities. It’s 1v1, man vs. man. Period. No matter what. Example: Remmers in the Super Bowl. And let the best man win, and if he’ll lose, it’ll be his way. This will breed mediocre success and, with the right personal, it can even go pretty far. Hell in the 90s, I think he would easily be a SB winning coach. However today there are two problems with that model, the inability to adapt. First there is no consistency. It won’t hold up over a period of time. Second, players now are different as are coaches. They adapt and scheme, analytics and all that. They are playing positions differently. If you aren’t able to adapt and utilize the modern talent of players like Cam, CMC, or even Luke (towards the end of his career in the 3-4), aren’t able to evaluate talent on the sidelines but instead lazily go for heart of a player, ‘lose my way’ path of evaluating, instead trying to foster/come up with ideas for new talent, it will never be sustainable. All that said, in summary, he is a good ‘rollercoaster’ coach and with the right personnel, in the right circumstance, with his back up against the wall. Living and dying by the sword will bring some success, no absolute failures, and a mass amount of mediocrity.

CMC’s talent was absolutely worth a top pick. They way he was planned on being used was NOT. Let’s just all imagine for a minute and think about how successful coaches such as Reid, McVay, Belicheck and Payton would utilize a player like CMC, who has already shown to be an elite receiving threat. There is not a snowballs chance in hell those intuitive coaches take CMC and premiere him as a run between the tackles player. They would have had another dime a dozen RB doing that. Those coaches would’ve had him training in the slot and backfield receiving since day 1, with backfield rushing plays lightly sprinkled in utilizing his finest skills - agility and YAC. Aka Welker, except better potential imo. And that’s saying a lot. The Panther’s dinosaur coaches had zero ability or innovation to do this or even attempt it. Same concept with Cam. Again, another RB could’ve been getting those tough yards, not your franchise QB. It’s not Fournette vs CMC because they are completely different players. If you are dumb enough to use them the same or look at them the same you really have no business analyzing the picks at all. For this inept franchise the pick and extension was certainley a waste.

Dexter was decent. This new blood is throughly awful …good lord.

it’s funny because when we had no clue cam was coming back and i posted threads on here backed by statistics saying this oline was worse than anything cam ever had his entire career here and certain people said it wasn’t that bad and it was mostly Sam even up to the week before he came here now that cam is back everyone wants to agree what does this mean

great but they’re losing games and not to great teams either they’re losing games because they didn’t balance it the whole premise of my reply was to your point of their ‘masterful ability’ to build a defense wasn’t actually all that masterful because of all the resources they had to spend on it to do it…while self sacrificing other parts of the team it’s really not all that meaningful of an achievement when you literally ignore the other half of the team

but at what expense? you go all defense in on draft, then take a top CB the next with a top pick, and then spend even more future resources on more defensive top FAs/CBS sound great except your oline is literally the worst in the league...and olines take years to build past 20 years of SB contenders had two things most strongly in common defense and oline there has to be a balance somewhere and they overkilled it good luck finding 5-6 long term offensive oline starters in the next couple years with gutted draft picks

this defense is not as good as people and stats make it out to be it can and has been easily exploited

I know his family. FWIW - He is coming to the NFL. He got ahead and will be graduating early at the end of this year.

i mean I pretty much got the same deal minus everything and exchanging the plane for a 90s mercury company car. gas not included.

Still going to watch, I am a Panthers fan but I love football in general, haven’t missed a game in two decades…hoping last game was a fluke for cam and am really hoping he balls out for the remainder of the year though that looks unlikely. But I won’t be buying any plane/game tickets to go to BOA or Panthers gear until this team proves to be worth the investment….I had a co worker not even know what the Panther on my hat was. Yea he’s a casual, newish 49er fan but good lord that’s how irrelevant this franchise has become.

they really are great phrases when you’re in a bind tho i use em on the gf all the time…minimal lash-back

maybe he means he is going all defense in the draft again

Remember that seam route last week where he walked into the end zone? Yea he should’ve been doing stuff like that for a while now. If Welker can come in as a college QB and do it, CMC will easily be the a huge slot threat. It amazes me how coaches can somehow look at CMC and see Jerome Bettis. That is the definition of square peg round hole dinosaur coaching. Meanwhile fresh coaches who adapt and have creativity continue to win. McVay Reid Lafluer…so on and so forth…not a single one would use CMC as a bruising back let alone the only back lol. It’s asinine.

You guys really don’t understand Fitt’s job under Rhule, it’s pretty basic. Contract structure/amount, and probably a (very) little input on the draft and FA. That is it. Blaming him for giving Darnold his 5th for example is a Rhule move not a Fitt move, as is resigning Robby. However, giving Robby too much is a Fitt move. The draft fiasco was Rhule, not Fit. Fit probably had a little input but Rhule laid out the guys he wanted and it was Fit’s job to make it happen. That is painfully obvious watching the war room during the draft. And there lies the problem. The GM/HC dynamic in the Carolinas will not work. Rhule has way too much control for things he does not know about because that is what he wanted when he came into the league if anyone remembers. I’m indifferent on Fitt. If he stays around, the dynamic needs to change. Fitt needs to have more of an all encompassing GM job if they truly believe in him or a real GM needs to be brought it. Rhule absolutely needs to go.

there are plenty of qbs out there that can do well when their oline WRs and play calls are also decent and might even win games too if their defense is decent as well all those things were to much to overcome today…but that considered, cam regressed from last week when he had even less time to prepare

You’re out? WTF can you at least make another superb coaching candidate thread should it happen? your front office posts are literally the only thing that makes losing seasons and off seasons bearable

They need to go. I’ve been saying 3 years too. And Rivera had first losing two years. But there is a difference, nothing is coming together and some of the dumbest moves are being made…trading picks, bad players….even some moves just look like madden and have never been done in NFL history like going all defense, setting the trading back record while passing better talent…I mean these things haven’t ever been done for a reason and spoiler alert it’s not because panthers are geniuses path makers. Not sure who is responsible completely for what but I think Tep needs to start over and as someone already said hire someone to hire people.

yes, this has to be done…even if there is no player/qb high up, since these idiots gave up all our picks they’re going to have to make that up and a top 10 picks is much more easy to find a trade partner for than say 16/17 but we will beat the falcons and beat the Buccs 2nd/3rd stringers in OT and stay outside top 10

lol cam fans be like….tHiS TeAM woUld be 9-3 hAD wE kEpt Cam!!1 game lost iTs evERyone elSe’s fAultt1! firE eVeRyonEs1!!! but but but he he needs at least a full year! get real, he contributed to this loss as much as the shitty coaching and rest of the team, fact you can’t admit that, the same way you yell supercam when Scott drags him in the end zone is pathetic, give credit where it’s due and take stan glasses off people that thought this team was a plug and play qb playoff team while shitting on others and myself for telling you otherwise are truly idiots

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Being more talented doesn’t mean turning the ball over and missing passes will win any games and that isn’t on coaching, just like we knew it wasn’t with Darnold. Why did this change? They both try to force it instead of throwing it away. The coach doesn’t determine that. Bad coaching is a separate subject that is not relevant to poor decision making.

Been saying it. They’re not as good as people think and stats suggest.

He has been better one game. This game looks the same as what we’ve had on the field. I was very optimistic when he came back. Even wanted him more than one year. Glad that wasn’t the case as of now. It’s not poor coaching to throw to receivers that are blanketed. Take the stan glasses off and realize everything above basically says you are just throwing poo out there because it’s not true.