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Fit lookin over Hurney’s work like

Meh I don’t really care if TB is the wb next season. We already know he isn’t the future but we have to take our lumps and should take the time to find it...just as almost all other teams have had to do with a bridge QB. This team won’t be competitive until 2023 anyways and won’t get interesting really until the year after that. I know that’s a lot of patience, logic, and realistic expectations though so I can see it pissing off the huddle.

Wtf rain snow sun...baseball caps are great man I miss Reebok then the league got cheap and consumer Nike is trash I remember the first year the switched and jerseys were ripped, patches coming off, falling apart on the field during games lol gonna assume the NFL bitches them out because didn’t see the issue after that High end Nike products are great but man their mass commercial poo is utter garbage

Yea if you’re including QBs like Dalton, Gropo, Tua, Fitzpatrick, and Haskins and Brandon Allen. Maybe I should’ve said a min number of snaps and/for a ‘starting’ QB in which case he’s at the top of the list. Had those QBs played as many snaps I still feel like he’s at the top with all his check downs. Curious as to how many of those sacks came in quarters 3 and 4 because from watching the games, the Panthers 2020 oline played very well until half time when they all checked out. If we criticize TB for not closing out games the oline most certainly didn’t finish poo in 2020. Those things will skew the oline ranking which is sad seeing as they were still ranked 18. Given there were only 3-4 teams ranked that low to make the Super Bowl, or even deep playoffs in the last 20 years I’d say they are pretty dismal.

Lol wut not even close Not quite how he was but still plays at a high level... ’way more than cam’...Ben is 10x the QB cam was are you on drugs or have you just started watching NFL football and I hate Ben would never want him here

Man we are really going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for an oline...if that’s the case who cares who the qb is? Even with one of the quickest releases in the NFL TB got hurt and his oline ranked below average. Now throw money at Samuel? And what about DJ and Anderson coming up? Plus all the money in CMC... This just sounds bad for once in the past decade the Panthers need to throw quality money at some oline talent. Notice I said quality.

What? It’s the other way around. You build a team first. That’s the modern blueprint, to get your QB on a rookie contract with a good team to compete...Bills, Chiefs, Chargers, Cardinals, San Fran soon...chiefs built their team while they had their aging ‘bridge QB’ in Smith he was not their future and they knew that, they used him the same way we should use TB, Colts used Rivers, Patriots used Cam, Dolphins used Fitz, etc. that’s the blueprint. The other way around gets you Cam and the Panthers, Watson with Texans, Luck and the Colts, Bengals and Burrow. It’s a great way to ruin a good QB and then live in cap hell after he’s paid. Unless you’re a Brees, Brady or Rodgers...it’s hard to build a winning team and pay a long term franchise QB, the Seahawks are finding that out now and is the reason for Cowboys situation. So yea the modern blueprint for success does not start with a franchise QB without a good team in place first. Successful teams outside of HOF outliers (who also have good teams) the idea is to get some success with a qb while on rookie contract.

I’m wondering this as well...

And all those teams are winning teams except the Falcons and Eagles. And yea the Falcons are fuged cap wise. But we have the most dead money. And laughing at the Falcons feels like the the whole ‘at least we aren’t the Browns or Jets’ mantra we have enjoyed so much as a shitty franchise forever. Not to mention our cap space is going to players not even on the team lol. Big difference. Lets not compare to the bottom of the barrel, our cap situation is poo for the next two years. If it weren’t we would have resigned Moton last year, but we couldn’t...

Well the Panthers once again fug themselves by ignoring oline. They have no starting LT, no LG, no RG and no RT signed lol. And an injured center with one year left...all the while with the worst cap situation in the NFL, and 5 wins. Easily the worst oline situation in the NFL. I have faith things will get better but if someone said they have faith we will be competitive with the Texans to become the new age Browns there wouldn’t be much a difference. I don’t blame Moton for cashing out the Panthers has given him all the leverage in the world and then some.

Why not just sign him long term?

Actually that’s correct going by metrics and statistics for the past 20 years.

Yea, their situations are identical.

Yep exactly. This is doing your du diligence. I love it. JR and Hurney prolly sat together writing long winded letters and snail mailing them

As well as it being an idiotic move for a team like the Panthers.

Good luck with the insurance company, you’ll need it

yea I never got into it. Drawn out medieval soap opera meh

Lol what is that like the 5th highest paid back up QB? Hurney never ceases to amaze.

I’m not going to give specific examples. I’ve worked with him and worked with others who worked with him. He himself admits to his issues though (though late). Plenty of articles on it. And it wasn’t exactly a problem that he didn’t wear on his sleeve.

He shattered someone’s face, blinded them for life and disabled them, and essentially ruined their career and life. Thats more than just punching a guy - he has serious mental issues. I know firsthand. Luckily he’s rich and settled with the guy, probably paying him half of everything he ever earned otherwise he’d would’ve went to prison. Yea he might get discounted for that one.

Can’t blame him, if he wasn’t as elusive as he is he’d probably be retired to to injuries...his olines have been comparable to the Panthers, some years even worse aka traffic cones

The people screaming that Watson is worth the future is saying that. Also no, for super bowl, you need elite not solid. Think Tampa was ranked 5, Chiefs 11. The average rank of super bowl oline for the past 20 years is like 6. Thats the average. Therefore yes, you need elite. Is is the second most consistent thing they have in common after a top defense. In fact, I could make an strong argument you need solid QB play and elite oline play vs. the other way around. Also, heavy draft investments were made in 90% of those olines. So yea...people saying Watson will make a difference giving up the next 3 years of first and second picks with literally only Paradis, an injured average Center on the oline, is basically saying it’s not all that important and if you read the above is a really, really moronic thing to do/say. People really proclaim themselves as a casual/not so smart/madden fan when you say things like trade for Watson whatever teh cost!!1 And that’s just the oline, if we get into other rankings of super bowl contenders we have a poo ton of holes.

From what I’ve read Bien is one of those smart guys that knows what he’s doing but lacks the people skills and many think he’d be a flame that’s die out, players stop paying attention too. I’m sure we’ve all experienced that kind of management. Kind of like Harbaugh in a way. And then there is all of this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportscasting.com/chiefs-oc-eric-bieniemys-troubling-rap-sheet-includes-a-disturbing-assault-charge-against-a-woman/%3famp Don’t think he’s had any trouble since then though I thought I read somewhere he got in a physical fight. Still it’s understandable why teams are cautious.

Yea a two year prove it contract this will set back the Panthers for years