onmyown

Bucs 12-5 Falcons 9-8 Saints 10-7 Panthers 8-9 Sorry I’m not ranking Darnold above Winston or Ryan just yet. And the oline ...is child’s play to the Saints’. Defense is just too young. Going to be like any other team Rhule has built, second year still a learning curve. And next year we see a playoff birth.

All you people who say we will be instant contenders just getting Rodgers, I am wondering how that is calculated (?) Because Super Bowl and legit playoff teams for the last 20 years, great QB or not, have a top 10 oline and top 10 defense if not better, where as ours (defense and oline) was ranked around 18-20. I can only think of 3-4 cases over 20 years where that was not the case. So...do people think we will just be breaking NFL records left and right or do people think we will jump 10 spots in both those areas due to some rookies coming in, or maybe think Rhule having a year of experience...or what exactly? Genuinely curious because logically it just doesn’t make sense. Don't get me wrong I’d be pretty impressed and very surprised if the (pretty shotty) oline the Panthers put together this year is one of the best and, albeit less surprised, the defense jumps 10+ spots because we now have Horn. IMO the Panthers couldn’t do much with Rodgers and the Bucs are a perfect example...this team just isn’t there yet.

You have to separate the people who only followed/were ‘fans’ of this team because of Cam (which let’s be real was at least 50% of the fanbase) and the butthurt that followed releasing him vs. long time fans of the team. I will agree last season was probably the least optimistic that I’ve ever seen but I kind of voided that for the reason above.

This place is always optimistic in April/May. We usually have our best record, 0-0 around this time. We are undefeated in draft, FA and offseason workouts Super Bowls since inception. Come on man all those knee jerk doomsday threads when the season actually hits aren’t a result of being pessimistic around this time. I have learned to just wait and see. Especially draft wise, we just don’t know enough to be excited. Just because Hurney didn’t make the picks and just because TB isn’t QB isn’t a reason to get excited. Actually SEEING it be better on the field is exciting. So wait and see. It gets tiring being let down. But I think there are two valid things going on that deserve optimism. 1. Hurney is finally gone and Tepper has taken the time to get the business side of things down before moving on to making changes we as fans really want to see which leads to... 2. Quick reactions. Long gone are the days under JR when this team will literally suffer for the almighty dollar and fav favorites. Under JR (and Hurney) you knew you were getting a retirement/sunset ending at the expense of the team. You knew a contract basically meant your work was done and there wasn’t a snowflake’s chance in hell you’d be cut if JR had to pay money - coach or player. Now it’s different. The FO will cut your ass and pay to see you leave in the name of finding the answer for the betterment of the team, whether you have a contract or not. It’s yet to be seen if the ability to actually find that answer and make the right moves exist, but the mere fact the FO is willing to make moves is very exciting.

The debate is always ‘but they naturally came from living outside so why can’t they’. Dogs have been bred for hundreds of years and your typical dog has had any natural characteristics to fight the elements bred out of them. Not just weather, temperatures, immune systems, allergies etc. Instead let’s look at it from evidence/fact point of view. Dogs who spend their whole life outside have a significantly shorter life span when controlling for things like run aways, hit by car etc. They’re also more prone to diseases and more prone to parasites. Then there are other factors like not fixing your dog, and not being able to control unwanted litters come from roaming around. Those are facts. So yes with that in mind, barring a pure bred, genetically bred dog, specifically bred for its environment/ working purposes, (which actually take A LOT more care than a common house dog) which 99% of us do not have or own, it’s is ignorant to think a dog can live outside. There are always exceptions, well modern lines bred top, highly maintained (groomed properly, medicated properly) in an area that never has extreme temperatures. Again that’s maybe 1% of us. And from my vast experiences working with animals the typical person who has the mindset of thinking it’s ok does not fix their dog, or fall into any of the above. What they want is a low maintenance buddy for the yard, and research shows the negative results. Feel free to look into it further and educate yourself. Or don’t, that’s typical. I’m not trying to ‘convince’ anyone. It’s not an accusation it’s my experience. Take it as you will. I could provide all the evidence you want but that would affect more people than just myself or TD, and would be careless on my part. That’s a pretty weird thing to just up and say about someone just for the hell of it, wouldn’t you think? I’m too old and don’t have time for that. So take it or leave it that’s up to you.

I figured you’d be curious as a Rott lover. Not much more I’m willing to share and no there are no links. It was never in the media, for a lot of reasons. It happened many many years ago.

TD was told multiple times to keep his puppy Rottweiler out of the heat and dogs really shouldn’t live outside... The dog ended up dying of heat exhaustion. I was really a big fan of TD before that.

no issue with it or any other numbers. only HOF should be retired IMO.

Biggest thing I took from this is just how awful that jets offense looks, good god

No it doesn’t. Feel free to go back 20 years and looks at all the super bowl contenders. Nothing on our team ranks as such.

If Fields or Jones balls out all 31 teams who did not draft them or trade up for them mortgaged their futures picking a player who is not valued as highly as a franchise QB because the opportunity was there. Hell all the teams that didn’t pick Rodgers or Jackson at the bottom of the first or Wilson in the third mortgaged their futures too because they missed the opportunity. All these mortgages of the future happening! Yea. No. Not what it means. Darnold, if failed, is simply a wasted pick. And the opportunity will be there again because we didn’t mortgage that opportunity by trading them away, except round 2 next year. And that opportunity doesn’t have to be a top 8 pick and may not even be a rookie. Something like the 49ers and Lance or hell even the Rams move qualifies for mortgaging the future.

Lol they didn’t mortgage the future what a dumb idea you can’t mortgage a risk and unknown like fields and Jones who you don’t know will work out and/or where you’ll be drafting - that’s not what a ‘future’ and mortgage means it means set in store, something inherently given to you, that benefits you, was given up like draft picks or possibly player trades included with this idea everyone in the top half of the draft ‘mortgaged their futures’ if their pick doesn’t work out lol really dumb way to put it

I mean Hurney was worried he’d be drafted in the first round even wanted to take him with a top 10 pick. If that doesn’t say bust im not sure what does

Competition is always good. For cheap and short terms deal, not sure anyone would have an issue with that. That said I could live without it. I truly believe the oline is the only thing holding the team back given Darnold plays at least a notch above Teddy. And if the oline doesn’t get better history shows playoffs are a no go no matter what the rest of the team does.

Draft grades are meaningless but I’m not sure where you got that...most people have a B with a few As and some Cs and worse, we’d probably average B- for 10+ sites not just CBS. If you’re talking about the huddle, if you’ve been here a while you’ll notice we always seem to have an A or A+ draft. It’s the homerism. It’s the reason we have shitty knee jerk threads when we find ourselves losing yet again. It happens every single year. It’s pretty comical to see the huddle around the draft time every single year with so much optimism despite it blowing up in their face some year, it never fails. I’d agree with the ranks and wouldn’t say just how great it was if everyone flops. You really can’t say how great it was until years later. The only thing you can say was great is the fact they have more piles of poo to throw at the wall instead of our regular 6/7. And that is good.

My favorite pick (and I only liked 2) I believe average is his floor. BYU oline program is top notch. But they also aren’t playing too competition. Double edged sword, harder to envision what the ceiling is, but you can bet it hasn’t been reached yet like some players out of top schools.

Dunno. I think it’s quite possible they would’ve taken Lance and that could’ve been the reason for no 5th year option. Or maybe traded if someone wanted Lance - we will probably never know. SF have up a ton to get him, and their FO is pretty good, so clearly he was a better prospect than most of us thought. But I think the only team ‘tied’ to Jones was possibly SF, not sure what they’re smoking. Clearly that was some smokescreen BS.

Christenson is likely Mormon coming from BYU and not the ‘fundamental’ kind in a lot of ways calling a modern day Mormon a polygamist is like calling a Muslim a terrorist but I get it, it’s a ‘joke’

Don’t like they have Pitts. That dude is no joke going to give us issues. Even with Horn, don’t think anyone will stop him and Jones. But as said their defense still sucks balls, and no one goes to playoffs or wins games that matter without a defense.

Ah yea the draft super bowl thread, we are undefeated, had one for Hurney 2.0 and Gettle too. We really don’t know and won’t know what Fitt is all about for a couple years. The fancy trades and moves don’t impress me. Building a team and a healthy cap does. So we shall see. I like the BYU pick personally. They have a fantastic oline program.

We are quickly becoming the Carolina ‘when healthy’ Panthers

Not sure you comprehend what that means or what is going on. Trading down is suppose to mean an increase in value, either this year or next, not equal value while at the same time failing to draft better talent. Basically trading down should always benefit the team trading down. The only benefit here is quantity, not value, which is fuging stupid. As said, trading a quarter for a dime and a nickel is dumb. This only works if we have superior scouting for talent...which I guess we don’t know but seems like ego to me when your GM is off doing poo no one else does or really ever has, kind of like the Hurney trade ups.

Would have been nice to be able to trade down and take one of the 3 OTs taken shortly after us. I have to believe the FO like at LEAST one of them. But perhaps they couldn’t find a trading partner. The fact tackle is so hard to find, like a QB, means you need to draft more of them to find your guy, not less. Seems they get that with QB but not tackle. At least spend reasonable draft picks on more than two (Little, Moton) in what? 18 years? Guess there is Otah so that’s 3 in 18 years. Couple free agents like Oher and Okung.... Thats not a lot of activity since Gross was drafted. Hope they resign Moton and I’ll feel a bit better but just mine, if they don’t then Paradis leaves I mean that’s 5 positions to fill...it’s going to be comical at that point.

Yea...I have yet to see any ‘grade’ above average for Horn...like 8+ sites.

I think it will sell plenty of beers when the third QB in a row including cam gets demolished behind Swiss cheese oline. With how inept this team is building the oline they need more than one pick at this point. I’m not sure why when cam left no one seems to think oline is as much of a problem anymore.