Proudiddy

When people here, myself included, say they could do what Bryce does as a thrower of the football, I have no instinct to correct them, because I know they aren’t lying. His ability is in the same level as men whose testosterone has been on the decline for 10+ years and haven’t thrown a football or ran full speed in almost just as long. He’s a fuging bum. that scramble and throw by Williams highlight it more than anything. And it’s maddening that we have a whole organization that watches him throw fuging cans of corn to receivers 5 yards away, and still push what a prospect he’ll be once everything comes together. I fuging hate everything about Tepper.

Have I told yall? I fuging hate David Tepper?

Not a Williams guy, but look at that improvisation and that bullet of a pass on the run for a crucial first down. When Bryce does that, that pass looks like a fuging 5 year old threw it.

Feel that stabbing pain every time the Bears make an amazing offensive play with the HC that rejected our advances because we’re a shitty franchise ran by a fuging horrible owner with the numerous assets they acquired in our dumbass pursuit of Bryce Young.

Dave said in the presser that apparently he thought XL was gonna go to the back pylon. So it was an actual attempt… to a WR that was running towards him and the front pylon, towards the back pylon, and still a solid 10-15 ft off the ground.

Yeah, Dave sounded salty when asked about something to do with the defense later too, and one of the reporters said something about what did EE say to him, and Dave very dryly said, “we just had some great conversations.” and when followed up about the playing young guys, he said, we as a staff have to get these young guys out there. i think, unless the defense picks it up dramatically over the next 3 games, EE is probably gone by midseason.

lol fug this team.

No doubt, the the Bears straight up American History X shower scene’d us.. They had to be pinching themselves when we called, “Are they fuging serious? Is this real? Hell yeah, we’ll wait another year.”

I don’t think “worst ever” is hyperbole. Again, there are statistics that he literally has been the worst in league history in for the number of starts he has had. He may have moved up slightly on those, but again, throw in the value that was given up for him, and I think it’s a pretty easy conclusion to make.

I was just thinking about this earlier… I don’t think it’s emphasized enough, how absolutely insane it is that we consciously as an organization decided to go into this season with the most important position on the entire team with his security teetering on what he looks like in the first 4 games or so. Last year, they went in fully committed and still yanked him after 2 bad games. All it took was 2 bad games to bench him after going all-in with him for the season. There was never even a word about that being a possibility until it was already done due to his horrid play. This year, after knowing he had already been benched previously for said horrid play, and public opinion divided on if he’s even an NFL QB, the leash is theoretically even shorter than before. So, Dave, Dan, Bryce, they all know… it’s in the back of all their minds - what is the threshold for him getting benched again? And again, we literally decided to go into the season with that poo hanging over the whole team, all while they tried to peddle that “end of season” stretch bullshit to justify it. Again, all knowing if (for us with brains, “when”) he played bad, the hook is coming. Just fuging insane.

After Corbett, Bryce was THE worst player on the field yesterday. And they have him at 71 and 3rd best on offense?? Must be the same guy that credited him with all those “big time throws” he led the league in after coming back from his benching.

I’m with you, but a .500 season and then a season of 2-14 isn’t winning. And there are levels to it. Again, don’t get me wrong, I’m wait you - I would kill to get back to one season on, one season off like it was under JR. But the vast majority of that team that Fam walked into had not won anything of note. And if 2 seasons of not winning produced that environment, imagine how horrible of an environment we have now.

Watching it a little further, I also like how he justifies his meddling by saying the pick of Bryce will save us money in the long-term because we won’t need elite receivers… *checks notes* appears here that we spent a first round pick in the last two drafts on receivers and also tried to trade for DK Metcalf while agreeing to pay him a huge contract. Hmmm… I fuging hate Tepper.

I honestly don’t think he ever will change. He couldn’t punch his way out of this wet paper bag he created with scissors in his hands. I think back to the early takes on Jimmy Haslem, the Browns owner. For that first few years, he couldn’t get out of his own way. Same poo. The fans were miserable and were worried he was exactly who David Tepper is now… and then Haslem took a step back. He hired football guys and let them make the decisions. And something clicked… now, they’ve done some really dumbass stuff since, but they started drafting some gems, developing them, and even went to the playoffs a few years. Led by Baker, they came damn close to beating the Chiefs in the playoffs. But I could never see Tepper doing any of that. He is so damn egotistical and stubborn. Haslem wasn’t pulling up to restaurants and demanding people change critical signs of him. Haslem wasn’t throwing drinks on the poors heckling him. Haslem wasn’t getting on broadcasts with his poo eating grin and calling fans basement dwellers. He was willing to take a step back and learn. At minimum, Tepper should’ve been at that stage two or three years in. And then he forces the Bryce pick. And then he makes us see it through for a minimum of three years. It’s clear he still thinks he knows more than anyone else… and for that reason, this will not turn around under Tepper. Our only hope is he sells, and he won’t. He would move the team before he had to sell it just to stick it to this fanbase for telling him about himself. He’s a fuging douche. And sadly, because all of the decisions have been and will be so bad from top to bottom, we won’t ever even accidentally back into the playoffs because we will never have the talent or coaching. It is fuging groundhogs day for misery as a Panthers fan.

We’ve been having a bad day since 2018. It’s time to bring the paper bags out.

Ngl, until last year, I had missed maybe 1 game my entire life, and that was for my best friend’s wedding. Then last year, I missed almost every game. Was going through a contentious divorce and working, so watching us expectedly suck wasn’t high on my list of things to do. So I didn’t see a lot of XL. I know what he physically looks like. I’ve watched him workout/prepare for the season. I’ve seen clips and highlights of what he’s done. And I know his measureables and strengths and weaknesses based off scouting reports. Respectfully, I think he is already more of a player than TMJ or Mingo ever could have conceivably been, and he already outproduced them as a rookie. For that reason alone, I’ve been hopeful. But in watching him even briefly so far, I can see why he frustrates many. I still think he can develop into something like a DK or Deebo. I just don’t think he is in a situation that is conducive to him becoming that. But, I’m also not selling the farm in belief he will become that here or anywhere else. As you said, we have a long history of reaching and just making bad picks under Tepper. It’s possible XL is yet another product of that. I just think giving him another year will tell us more… still gonna be tough to evaluate until we have a real QB regardless.

Sounds right. And yet, we have people still searching for any reason why he is bad that isn’t Bryce Young himself.

Damn straight. I honestly think most that bring him up didn’t watch those years. Or not closely. He was really solid to good. It was just a bad deal because of the assets we gave up for him.

Again, I think it’s important to consider Gilbert was a solid, serviceable player for many years. Russell and Leaf were serviceable while they played. Not great. Bryce is not serviceable. Bryce is not average. There was a stat at some point prior to that end of season stretch last year that said he was statistically the worst passer in the history of the league with the amount of starts he’s logged.

walk off #1. And not because I’m a panthers fan or suffering from recency bias. I don’t know how it is debatable. again, Russell had all the tools. Same with Leaf. And at times flashed. Both either had too many demons off the field or just didn’t give a poo for it to become consistent or expected and eventually flamed out chasing their demons. If they could’ve locked in, they were fun to watch. Bryce is like watching fuging paint dry, but in a house full of asbestos and the paint is lead. And the house is on fire. And you’re tied to a chair. And a sink hole has broken the ground all around the house to create an inescapable death trap of a moat. And asteroids are slowly approaching the house. That’s watching Bryce.

Or we play that way because their hands are tied as to what they can call and when because depending on the style of defense, they know Bryce can’t do what they need. And I get the sentiment of formulating a game plan to your strengths and weaknesses. But it is inherently disadvantageous to have a QB who so desperately needs a game plan tailored to him to succeed, versus having a QB with enough requisite skill and ability that they can adapt to your scheme. We are so limited offensively because Bryce is limited physically. And we can’t win the turnover battle because even when Bryce adlibs he turns it over. Something as simple as a scramble - that’s improvised, it wasn’t drawn up. He chose to do that, then goofily stumbles into the defender because he can’t even make a decision to choose a path, make a move and go, and as a result, gets sized up and the ball punched out like taking candy from a baby - literally. I guarantee you, Bryce could go play for Andy Reid and would still look like poo. It’s not the scheme. He fuging sucks. I also guarantee, Andy Reid would never even sign Bryce lol.

Ngl, I watched Jamarcus closely, because if he could put it all together, he was a fuging specimen. And even him not giving a poo and not trying, he was still 1000x more enjoyable to watch and more competitive than Bryce. Most of that is because he had the physical tools. Bryce does not, which makes it damn near unbearable to watch week after week.

Remember when Cam and Smitty had a lite beef a couple months back because Smitty took umbrage at Cam saying when he came here we had a “locker room full of losers”? Smitty was like “so I was a loser?” He didn’t get it. Smitty was always a dog, but losing brings about a stench that lingers. It’s like an infection that spreads. Even the most ultimate competitors, when subjected to it long-term, suddenly find themselves, subconsciously, giving less. Doing less. Staying safe. Taking the “there’s always next week,” route. Guys like DB don’t know what winning as a pro looks or feels like. And when guys like that become the leaders of a locker room, that becomes the culture. How can you teach others and lead others to winning mentalities when you don’t know how to do it yourself? And that’s what Cam walked into. Not everybody, but the majority. And that’s what Cam referred to. Smitty had won before. He wasn’t a loser. But the majority of the guys in there had gotten used to losing ways and for even guys who had won previously, it’s hard to pull a whole team out of that tailspin when you’re in the middle of it yourself. Coaches, players, training staff, etc., all get immune to the sting of losing in those environments. And back when Cam got here it wasn’t even this extreme. This entire team is full of losers. Like it or not. None of them have won before as pros, not here. And without a spark plug injection at specific spots - and i’m telling you right now Canales isn’t enough - we are stuck in the fuging basement.

This. And also, to counter jb, a prime example that all his receivers didn’t let him down - Renfrow straight cooked his matchup at LEAST twice today, and on both of those plays, Bryce threw a horribly inaccurate pass and turned what would’ve been at minimum a 20+ yard gain and at best been easy TDs. Renfrow did his part. Even the PI Tet drew - imagine if we had a QB that had enough arm strength to put that pass ahead of Tet and gave him a chance to run under it. Bryce fuging sucks. Period.

I’ve said it in other threads. He belongs in the NFL, but we aren’t using him correctly. I’ll give him the rest of this season to see how it pans out, but then again, it’s also hard to judge him because we don’t have a guy who can get him the ball in his areas of strength. I know some compared him to DK when he came out, which is possibly an apt comparison, but with a noodle armed middle schooler at QB, it’s impossible to know that. DK isn’t known for being ultra agile and making ridiculous, ballerina-tight rope catches. DK is a force of nature. A big body guy who is freakishly athletic and relies greatly on strength and straight-line speed. That’s how I see XL at best. At worst, I envisioned him as a bigger version of Deebo. Again, a guy that isn’t ultra agile or quick, but big, strong, physical, and fast, but as you mentioned, Deebo worked because they were great at figuring out how to get the ball in his hands in creative ways and at scheming him open on routes. In my estimation, none of these three are route technicians. But the way DK and Deebo developed, that gave me hope for what XL could or can be. I still believe he can be that dominant, but with Bryce, he is not in an offense that will foster that kind of development. It’s my belief that just like in the preseason, when the guy pulling the trigger can’t get guys the ball in their preferred spots, it not only hinders immediate results, but it also makes it impossible to evaluate what we have. I would like to see what XL can develop into, but as long as they keep trotting Bryce out there, that domino effect fugs everything else up.