Proudiddy

I may be in the minority, but I watch every year because I’m hoping we make the playoffs. We a competitor pulling for a team in a competitive sport, why would I watch knowing we’re just gonna suck anyway? Even in years that we know we’re going into it thin, I still want to believe we’ll be one of those miraculous one-year-turnaround stories. Why else should we be watch if we don’t want to compete? And yes, I’m aware competing can happen without winning, but the playoffs are the minimum goal in my mind. Nobody wants to waste their time or resources to lose. That being said, as long as Bryce is playing, we will not be making the playoffs.

My opinion has been if Shanahan can’t make them pop, then they probably won’t cut it anywhere else as a QB. But, I believe in Lance’s physicals and was intrigued by them the year he came out. Ultimately, I land the same place you do - my approach this offseason is the shotgun - shoot and let the pellets hit where they may. Bring in multiple guys with the tools and/or resume and see who rises to the top. Lance, Cousins, Jameis, see if Shedeur is available, draft a rookie, etc.

it initially was made out of hope, now it serves as an Onion-level satire of his tenure here. Good times.

I’ve been posting everywhere I can about it, but I’m tired of everyone bagging on Tet for the drops because if you watch the games and you see the targets they’re fuging horrible. Most of them the receivers have to stop, turn around, reach at their feet, or sky in the air. If he throws 100 passes, only about half 10 of them will hit the receiver in the numbers. If I’m running my route as a grown man at a grown man size, and I am in full stride and you throw the ball to my butt on a drag route, what the fug am I supposed to do with that? He literally never puts them in position to keep going and make a play once they catch it. And really, the only passes I’ve seen him hit guys in the numbers on are usually those little 5 yard hitch routes, which more often than not won’t really allow them to YAC after anyway. If they are fuging moving, he is missing.

TBH, I think a lot of the guys who are super critical have to stay measured even then because Tepper will cut them off from access.

I as well. And I every time I watch Maye now, I can feel the rage slowly bubbling to a froth. All we had to do was wait one more year and make the same trade if needed and had Drake fuging Maye. I know me and @LinvilleGorgewere talking about it all of 2023. But Tepper blew his load for Bryce. Have I mentioned I fuging hate David Tepper?

I’ve been saying this about XL. Again, it’s unfair to judge any of these WRs or TEs as long as Bryce is QB. XL could easily have the numbers Tet has right now or close to it, and Tet should have about 25 more receptions himself, if they had a fuging legitimate QB. If I was a WR I would be pissed tf off with this whole organization… well, I’d feel that way at any position, but especially WR. Not only are you limiting our success as a team, but you’re making me look bad at my job in the process and hurting my potential to get paid what I deserve. They need to sit Bryce tf down.

No doubt, Lawrence is supremely more physically talented than Bryce, although that’s a really low bar. That being said, I asked ChatGPT the other day which WB Bryce Young most closely mirrored and it said EXACTLY Trevor Lawrence. I was actually blown away by how similar their stats are. I have heard more recent rumblings that Jacksonville was growing restless with him but without looking at the numbers, I couldn’t understand why. I had no idea he has struggled that badly for the duration of his pro career. Watching him in college, he seemed like he was going to be a sure fire franchise QB. All that being said, I’d still take him a million times over Bryce and alternatives like Mac Jones.

Honestly, had Rhule and Tepper not run Cam out of town AGAIN, and just let him continue to start until a young prospect was drafted to eventually replace him, we would’ve already made the playoffs during this 2018+ stretch and we never end up in this debacle with shitty ass Bryce either.

Yeah, it reads as a coach being forced to play a QB who can’t do the things he wants him to do, so it’s almost like a game of chicken with ownership.

And “not prohibitively bad” to WHO????????? They should’ve addressed the poo over the offseason. We’re 5-5 instead of say, 7-3, because of fuging Bryce.

I respect what Shanahan does with QBs. That being said, if we sign Mac as the fuging fix to this poo, I will blow my fuging brains out.

Which is why they should’ve addressed the poo well before this year. They’ve had two full off seasons to build in a contingency plan and did absolutely jack poo.

That’s the feel of it, because there’s no other way around what he’s saying and trying not to say.

To further your point, CRA, I still remember someone posted here in the pre-draft buildup a whole spreadsheet of each QB prospect from that draft class’ advanced stats. It showed the attempts, completions, yards by area on the field, depth, whether it was in the pocket or out, etc., and I remember vividly, I was already out in Bryce based off my observations and feelings from the season prior… but in the spirit of objectivity, I decided to look at it with a fresh set of eyes, and all it did was further cement what I saw. What stood out to me most was that Bryce was THE WORST prospect out of that whole class in completions to the sidelines. I remember already thinking he had a weak arm, but seeing that in the stats just gave me further conviction that he was not going to translate to the league because that’s one of the biggest staples in NFL football. I also remember looking at all of the other throws to other locations on the field and compared to the other prospects I walked away feeling, “well, what does he do well?” It was almost jarring compared to the reputation he had been given. Nothing stood out. And that exact evaluation and sentiment has carried over to his pro career. I really wish I could remember who made the thread or find it.

Yeah, the window to get it to them is compressed to 20 yards vertically. Even if they beat their man 25 yards downfield and Bryce actually sees it, he’s not gonna throw it.

No I remember how bad he was those first games last season, but I think the difference there just from memory was the turnovers. He’s not turning the ball over as much this season per games, but the lack of production is on par, although I feel it is actually worse considering it has been going on for more games at this point. It’s more than enough of a sample size for Dave to bench him compared to when he made the choice last season.

It’s also another thing that makes this so maddening for me - Canales benched Bryce last season for less worse (if that’s a thing) play than what he’s exhibiting now. Most of us fans took it as a positive - new coach coming in and asserting himself and saving the locker room. The fact he won’t step in now when Bryce is single-handedly killing the season? Now I’m wondering, was the benching last year even Dave’s call, or built-in and agreed-upon theatrics from Tepper. Like putting your kid in timeout because you don’t want to have to spank them or take away their electronics?

“We’ll call more plays when we see more success” regarding explosive passing plays. He’s basically saying we won’t call them because we can’t execute them. It’s one of the most creatively nebulous-sounding indictments I’ve ever heard, but an indictment nonetheless. Almost like it’s daring Bryce, and he still won’t do it. I mentioned in another thread how one play yesterday, Bryce rolled out and held the ball forever. If I were venture to say, I’m guessing that play lasted upwards of 5 seconds, EASY. He just kept holding it and kept looking. And then he’d look like he was gonna throw it, then pull it back down, look again, pull it back down, look again, then finally grounded it in front of the nearest WR. These were the type of plays Bryce thrived on in college. Now, most of them he doesn’t even attempt because those fuging lofty ass cans of corn ain’t cutting it and he knows they’re likely to get picked. Point being, we’re leaving so many plays out on the field and it begins and ends with Bryce’s inability and unwillingness to pull the trigger. In that same thread, someone brought up Jake and how many present fans never saw him play. But think back to other great Panthers QBs as well, Cam being the greatest and a singular generational talent that will never be replicated, but even Steve Beurelein (sp?), he’ll, even Matt Moore in his short tenure. What did these guys do that Bryce just won’t - give his guys a fuging chance to make plays. And the most obvious samples are the lack of high-pointers and back shoulder fades, but even in simple poo like all the crossing routes that people are ragging on Tet and XL for. The passes are so poorly placed, he’s not giving them a chance to just catch it and run. They have to fuging stop, contort their body, etc. in another thread, we were discussing Mike White and Hendon Hooker. You can name off any number of other guys currently available as well as a slew of ones we could’ve had in the offseason, and every single one of them would do what Bryce refuses to - give their guys a fuging chance to make plays. That’s what is so fuging frustrating about him beyond the obvious.

You really have to ask yourself why they cut both of them and left themselves down to the two pieces of poo we currently have rostered at QB in the first place? It is asinine. Absolutely ridiculous. My theory is that either or both Hooker and White make Bryce feel less secure with his role, so they chose to eliminate the distractions. No doubt in my mind, White is a better NFL QB than Bryce - he has the tape to prove it. Hooker is still an unknown for the most part, but I know without a doubt he has better presence and physical tools than Bryce.

I just don’t agree. A young capable QB would be killing with this supporting cast. Bryce fugs up the entire offense. Every play is a stacked box, secondary cheating underneath and jumping everything because they know his chances of beating them with a pass over the top is lottery level odds.

Cam smacking him period.

If we had a QB who could throw the ball over the top, XL would look like fuging Ted Ginn right now lol.

And I would still be ecstatic bc at least we were capable of passing the fuging ball.