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But again, I maintain, if we did it more often, I'd be more inclined to credit the coaches. Our players typically make plays in spite of them, but Rhule's trying to make it look like we're on the verge of greatness because of these stats he handpicked, and that's not the case. For every good stat he throws out there to pat himself on the back, there are 7 more stats that show our offense has been absymal and dysfunctional. So, I'm not giving him credit for that. And as I mentioned in a another post earlier in this thread, when the cameras and mics went live, he was still going on about that recovered fumble that CMC ran for 39 yards or whatever it was in week 1 and how that should've counted as a rush, and if it did, we would have had 89 yards instead of 40. That's why I won't credit him for anything... he desperately wants to sell how close we are, and coaching-wise, we're not. With Norv and Scott Turner, CMC stayed healthy and put up record-setting numbers. Here, he relies on one or two big plays a game to boost up rather average numbers because the coaching and scheme sucks.

I didnt say that was a broken play. I just said it was a greater credit to the players than the playcalling. If we did it more often, I'd be more inclined to give the coaches more credit.

I agree with you there... every team is trying to set themselves up for that one big gash or deep bomb... the "explosives" as the football world likes to call them these days. And yes, they are the outliers. But I'm just not giving that to Rhule in this scenario because we aren't like other teams. He hasn't shown a consistent ability to make those plays happen or set up a defense so that we can hit them with an explosive later. We have one of, if not the worst offense in the league under Rhule. So, when we get big plays, I think it's more because of the players doing an extraordinary job rather than him or McAdoo dialing up something amazing on purpose. The fact we've only played 3 WRs for almost the entire game the first two weeks, ran the same plays multiple times, only ran two personnel groupings for the entire game in week 1, and the fact ESPN analysts could find that we were tipping our plays just by alignment of the RB makes it awfully hard to give Rhule any credit for anything.

Nope, definitely counts, but doesn't negate my argument. That run isn't a credit to coaching, scheme or Rhule... it's a credit to CMC making something happen. How'd the majority of his runs look throughout that game outside of that 49 yarder?

...annnnnnnnnd there you have it.

I dont agree. That doesn't mean he made the job any less difficult on his player, it means, when healthy, CMC is an all-pro talent that made things happen despite the circumstances. JMO...

To elaborate, Rhule's answer sounded like when you get asked a question you weren't prepared for in a job interview and you end up halfway through your answer and realize you were better off stopping about 3 minutes ago.

And for those that missed it, when the cameras went live, he was still going on about that recovered fumble from game 1 by CMC where he ran for 39 yards or whatever it was, and Rhule, through his poo-eating grin says, "but if they give us that, we're at 80 yards rushing instead of 40. But it's just one of those weird things you know?"

Newton saved it for the last question, annnnnnnd booooooooooy, was that a long, yammering, awkward answer.

Now, usually i wouldnt care this late in the week with this particular group of imbeciles who should've been fired long ago... but today, I'm waiting to see if they get asked about Orlovsky's breakdown.

His tweet is inacceptable.

Yeah Steelers threw in the towel.

If yall just saw what Garrett did to that grown man... Ickey had no reason to feel bad about his performance against him lol.

Yeah, Tomlin is gonna have to pull a miracle this year to maintain that winning season streak. They look bad. But, I think it's possible Pickett could provide what they're missing offensively and then the defense might look better. They usually hit their stride as the year goes on, but they look rough right now. But I think the Browns are for real. We'll see what happens with the defense with the guys that have went down tonight, but Garrett and that secondary are for real. And on offense, that run game is tough and it travels as it gets colder. TBH, I think a lot of people are going to be surprised at where they're sitting when Watson comes back.

Couple of things come to mind watching this... *Cleveland is legit this year *Brissett is also legit. He might not be flashy, but he's efficient, and again, I point out I suggested we should've signed him after he left Indy. *Trubisky is probably gonna be benched and not get another starting gig. *Myles Jack is getting the poo beat out of him. I saw him get pancaked on the last drive and took a long time to get up. A couple plays late he got trucked and again, took a long time to get up. And as I finished typing this, he just got trucked by Njoku and looked woozy. Damn. *Watching Clevelands offense makes it look so simple, and they're not even high-powered, but they move the ball... I know a lot of that is Chubb averaging 7+ ypc, but it just illustrates how bad our offense is.

Not relieving McAdoodoo of his negligence here, but again, this dysfunction has been present under Rhule every season. I cannot buy that McAdoodoo, with previous experience as an NFL OC and HC, would not catch this or think he could slide by with it purposely... no matter how inept he may or may not have been in his professional coaching career, he's been on this level and would notice this stuff quickly... Again, my suspicion is that Rhule has a specific idea for how the offense should be ran and only allows the OCs to operate within that very limited scope. Even when we dumped Brady and went to Rhule's HS Sweetheart for that few games last year, there was no significant change in the philosophy or playcalling. It has felt, like for 3 years, outside of that first 3 games last season, that every week teams have known exactly what plays we were running before we ran them... hell, teams have even come out and said just that. Remember Cam's game in Miami last season where everyone was dumping on him? Explain how Miami's defensive front knew exactly when he was going to throw and where to deflect that crazy amount of passes at the line they did. And then go back and look at the picks... they weren't on Cam, the DBs were literally running their routes for them and cut them off. Also, remember Robbie complaining that teams were sitting on everything underneath last season? And again, were on our third OC in 3 years now under Rhule and it all looks the same. Just as predictable... But regardless, this is beyond embarrassing. No way would I have ever imagined at any point that our team would reach this level of amateurism. Smh...

Yes. And it's not even close.

I can't see it. He had an added attachment to Garrett because he spent the majority of his career there as a player, specifically their Super Bowl years in the 90s... I always felt that was why he was so patient with Garrett. I don't get that same feeling with McCarthy. He seems to be skating on a lot thinner ice...

I really like Robbie, but I aint with him on this... if you've ever played sports, it's part of the game, period. You accept that. Don't want to get booed? Don't play like poo. It's pretty simple. Now, in this instance I have a little more empathy for the players because it's about 95% the coaching ad to the reason they're playing like poo. Tough spot to be in... hopefully Wilks takes control in a week or two and we turn it around, but Rhule will prolly be here until at least week 12.

I thought the same. Pretty sure the directive came from that weekly meeting with Tepper. And although I still won't believe he's fired until I see it, you could also pick up on some "living under the blade" vibes from how he has looked and sounded this week.

My best guess is he's waiting in Dallas, and Dallas wants him. I think we would be an option if that doesn't work out, but that's why it's in our best interest to fire Rhule ASAP. But tbh, I prefer Payton, I like Leftwich and Flores, and the idea of Dorsey is really, really growing on me.

He's right. Including his own players.

I keep posting it across multiple threads regarding the different units, but it holds true across all of them... I keep asking, for all that has changed - assistant coaches, OLinemen, QBs, etc., the one constant is their in-game play has not changed. And specifically, at QB, what we have seen is, no matter how guys looked before with other teams or even here with other coaches, they have played their absolute worst seasons/games of their careers under Rhule. We went and upgraded the OL because that was supposedly the problem with thr QBs for the last two years... Welp. That wasn't it. Also, the OL was blamed for the QB issues last season, but we also struggled to run the ball. So again... what has been the constant throughline in it all? Rhule. Don't get me wrong, Baker has disappointed me from what my expectations were, but it's not him. It's not the players. It's not the new coaches. If we take a step back and look at the entire team and see what's going on, all of the struggles have remained and Rhule has overseen all of it. It's Rhule. That's all.

Good point. But you can see it in-game. I noticed immediately against the Giants, which I'd why I sensed Chubba and Robbie's fumbles were going to happen during the play before they actually happened, that they were scrapping, raking, and yanking at the ball from the opening kickoff. Like, everytime they got one of our guys stood up, they were going for the strip. Whereas, I rarely saw that from our guys. It didn't look like it was a point of emphasis that is coached to our entire defense... if you saw it, it may have only been one or two guys throughout the game that attempted to go for it... even on gang tackles. But again, they were all making a concerted effort to go for the ball every play. Also, not mad at Frankie bc it was a Hugh throw and would've been a great play for a guy not regarded for his coverage, and he played his ass off regardless, but that pick at the end of the 1st half would've been huge...