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Also, Tua definitely had a concussion. I've got back issues, and it doesn't look like that... and if it did, you aren't coming right back in the 2nd half.

Never knew that story, but sounds about right... I know he damn sure figured our poo out in his stint in ATL.

I've been seeing a lot of articles and videos and such breaking down how bad he has looked so far in Denver... like, not seeing wide open receivers right in front of him, the debacle of going with the FG week 1 instead of going for the first down, etc. He looks like he is being exposed. I don't know what it was about the offense in Seattle, but he has looked quite different out of it.

It was more last season, combined with the Cleveland PI, then the play today, and there was 1 or 2 more catches where he was in good position and got outmuscled for the ball this season, which it seems like happens a lot compared to his ability to actually make a play on the ball.

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I'm telling you... Shanahan could sign his entire offense off the street and in a week put up 28 points. I used to think dude was just the beneficiary of nepotism at its finest until he ended dup with ATL for that bit and that changed my mind QUICK. Dude can call an offense blindfolded, cuffed, in earmuffs from a remote location in a soundproof dungeon in Middle Earth.

We had a few guys step up and I loved the energy and effort for the most part... but we gave up 353 pass yards and I believe it was 84 rush yards. The difference was the turnovers and that the Saints are a bad team. And the turnovers were created by the players more than the scheme.

For the most part, he has been cheeks. But, as a natural box safety, I don't expect him to perform as well on an island as a corner should. I love Chinn and wish he was better in coverage because he has all the size and physical gifts to be amazing... I just don't think he has great timing or instincts in pass coverage. He really excels in the box and anything we get coverage-wise is a bonus at this point, or at least that's what I've come to accept.

Actually according to Rhule's Presser, we had a play designed for him earlier in the game and they took him away, and then the play he scored on wasn't even designed for him, or at least he wasn't the primary... they took away the primary so Baker checked it down to Laviska, and he did all the heavy lifting from there. But as I said in the game thread, the plays he made today came off simple routes and duties that he could've done week 1 with little to no familiarity with our "system" (KRs, flat and drag routes). So I just don't know why he wasn't playing earlier. He is dynamic.

I concede those are good numbers and there is plenty of season left, so we will see. I just think he has committed an inordinate amount of bad plays that you just don't see many other corners committing on a consistent basis. It would be in our best interest if he is the guy those stats would indicate... From the eye test, I just don't trust it. We'll see.

And yeah, Staley is on the fast track out of there. No disrespect to JAX but after LAC assembled the team they did, you can't lose to them by 28 points.

Well, I'm more than willing to admit when I'm wrong, and I know you watch the All-22s and such (which I'm unwilling to pay the NFL anything at this point for anything), so you may have a better idea of every play than I do from watching the telecasts, but to be fair, I am not judging this off two plays. I'm viewing it off every play I have watched him on or he caught my attention. Again, I know what a realistic expectation of a corner is. I know not everyone is a lockdown. But he has unimpressed me. And the examples I gave were far more than two plays. He got benched in the Dallas game last season for getting torched. And I know this is his first year under Wilks and there's hope because he seems to have developed a relationship with him and Wilks has such a good rep as a position coach. A lot of people are hopeful because a lot of the concern about him was that he seemed uninterested and seemed detached because he was aloof from teammates and staff, which was a big part of why JAX gave up on him... so again, I get it. I wanted him to make it like any true fan would, but I feel I have seen enough that makes me believe he is not the guy that was so highly-touted with Top 10 pick ability. I don't trust him, and I don't believe in him. He makes for more boneheaded plays than game-changing good ones. And yes, you can argue he's holding great coverage the majority of games, but if my corner is giving up one huge play a week and I'm losing games by less than 3 a week, I'm gonna have an issue with that corner. That's where I'm coming from. There are plenty average corners in the league that aren't making the bad plays that CJ has made in his year since being here on a fairly regular basis. And there has to be some balance. I don't expect anybody to have 6+ picks in a season every season, but if he is that great at coverage, he should be making some kind of plays on the ball. You brought up the Giants game saying they didn't throw at him, but name the last time you remember him breaking up a pass when it is thrown at him. Most I remember, he is in solid position but the receiver secures it anyway. Sometimes almost isn't good enough and CJ's game seems to be full of almosts. I still hope for the best, and will continue to as long as they continue to play him, but I just feel I've seen enough that makes me feel he will not ever be much more than he's been. That's all.

As the year went on, he looked more like a rookie, but earlier in the season he looked amazing, and in limited opportunities looked better than Henderson ever has to me.

Yeah, I'm thinking that likely was a big part of what set him off. Once McKenzie went lateral, he should've just went down.

Dorsey has been coaching in the pros for years (under respected staffs) and played for years before that. That's a big, BIG difference from Rhule.

If you want it to. But again, I'm speaking to his entire body of work. You're picking one game, I'm talking about all of them. It could be argued that he singlehandedly lost the Cleveland game with what was one of the worst PI penalties ever committed where he had absolutely no reason to give up on that play. Its one thing if you're doing it to save a TD where you just got smoked on a route. It's another to do it when you're near your cover, have help nearby, and can still make a play. Should've been the end of a drive, instead he essentially gave them 7. I get it... I've been playing and following football for 28 years. It's a lot like OLinemen, the less you notice them, the better they're doing... the issue is, Henderson's ONLY notable plays since hes been here are the bad ones. No flashes of brilliance and gamebreaking athleticism and cover skills that made him a Top 10 pick. I went down the list earlier in the thread... his only memorable moments have been bad. There have not been any impressive, amazing plays in coverage. And no, I don't expect him to make those on the regular as even the best only get a few picks a year, but that's not even my standard... I'm talking about PBUs, great coverage forcing errors by their QBs, etc. And whereas some have argued that he's fine because he's average, I disagree. I don't expect him to be all-world, but I expect him to not be a liability, and more often than not he has in his year here, and I honestly, just from the ye test, like what I see more from Taylor than what I've seen from Henderson. If you like him, cool. I'm just not impressed and think Taylor is better.

Yup, I didn't expect him to be Tom Brady, or hell, even a more accurate comp in a guy like Brees, but I expected him to be good. I expected him to be much better than what we have had the last 3 years (not including Cam in that, he will always be the goat). But he hasn't been good. He hasn't even been below average. He has been bad. And the more frustrating part, is it is INEXPLICABLY bad. There's no realy reason for it. Whether you know the offense, whether you're comfortable in the offense, or whatever, if a guy is open, you throw a football for a living, you should be able to hit him. But he hasn't. He has been wildly inaccurate. Honestly, you could get a good amount of random Huddlers into the game for one play, and they could hit the throws he's missing. They probably wouldn't be able to walk tomorrow and would likely mess their pants, but point being, some of these throws are simple pitch and catch, and he's missing badly. Now, to be fair, some of the struggles are due to McAdoodoo and his horribly dated and inept prehistoric offense, because there are a ton of plays where there isn't open receivers. But the issue is, the plays that ARE there, Baker is blowing. He's bailing on the pocket early, he's not getting rid of the ball when nothing is there, often times he's running to pressure, and again, has just been wildly inaccurate. I watched quite a bit of Baker in college and in Cleveland, and I believed in him. But I was wrong. At least so far... I expected the flashes we saw from Cleveland. 2020 Baker was REALLY good and went toe to toe with Mahomes in the playoffs and came within a play or two of winning. But none of that has been decipherable through 3 games... as Rex said, he has the lowest QBR in the league. I expected top 20 floor, a Top 10 ceiling. He has been bad. Really bad. And surprisingly bad, especially for many of us to have had only reasonable expectations.

I do think Allen is Cam-lite, and I really like him, so I'm sure it makes the job easier and naturally they rely more heavily on him, but I really like the rhythm and play selection through these first three games. And he has definitely spent enough time learning as an assistant that I believe there is some substance to it. Miami, and McDaniel for that matter, are apparently just damn good.

They had come back, were within a FG of winning, Allen was forced up in the pocket and threw a pass over the middle, WR couldn't get to the sideline but was within a yard of ideal FG range, was tackled and got up with 8 seconds left, time expired before they could clock it.

For as long as I have followed his football career - as a fan of The U as a kid where he was a national championship QB with ice in his veins, to his time here as the calming, even-keeled sounding board of a QB coach for Cam - one thing about Ken Dorsey, is that dude is just calm, cool, and collected... Until today: But still... come save us Kenny!

The other thing that really stands out, which prolly goes into the lack of identity you mentioned, is there isn't anything easy for us... like most teams have concepts that if they need 3 or 4 yards, they have a good idea it's gonna be there. We come out and pass on early downs like we're the fuging Greatest Show On Turf, but everything is locked up. We go for it on a 4th and 4 or whatever it was, and everything is locked up. No one is open. If you can't get the singles, you have to rely completely on homeruns, and a lot of games, there won't be any homeruns to win it for you. And again, Baker is so uncomfortable that even when guys have been open on routes, he is completely missing them even when he targets them. That's why the offense feels so dysfunctional... we don't have any singles. We've only had homeruns and they happen so infrequently it is obscured by how bad the offense is the other 99% of the time.

Agreed on all counts!

Yeah, he was real close to palming it through the block... but like I said in my reply to wow, that's why it is so encouraging, because he is around the ball seemingly every play now... he's being disruptive and finding the ball, wherever it may be.

For those who may not have noticed... when I shared that Rhule was 13th all-time in worst coaches by winning pct. last week, one of the guys in the Top 10? Dennis Allen. It's why I feel nothing about this win. Proud of our defensive guys that stepped up, Laviska, CMC... but they're just a bad team, playing a QB with a broken back, were down to their last two healthy receivers, with one of the top-ten all-time worst coaches at the helm.

Yeah he did. And that's what made it so much more encouraging... he is around the ball seemingly every play now. He's finding it.