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Great value. But, did we trade back up to take him? ESPN radio said we traded with the Eagles to get ot his pick?

Do they think we're a good enough team that a player can't help us at these picks? Smh...

Look the first one i didnt like. Now they're really starting to piss me off.

No doubt, they are playing an extremely high-stakes game at the most pivotal position league-wide. You can't afford to get it wrong. So, I hope they're right... but, passing on a guy with a rocket arm, 4.4. 40, and a resume that includes huge games against top-level programs for a guy with a "good" arm and ok measurables just doesn't sit well with me. But again, I hope they're right.

Because I'm hoping for the best but not a believer at all in Darnold, I still am holding out hope that maybe Howell slides a bit because of his size and we get a shot at him next draft.

Yeah, and thats a great angle I hadn't thought about of it's true. I wonder if we really liked Lance and that was who they would consider of he had fell, or as you said, they weren't interested in a QB at all.

Well, if others don't know what you do, maybe you should share it instead of getting into condescending mudslinging and basement-dwelling insults. While Scot just told me what Zack shared - who has always been as plugged in as anyone we've had here - I was not wrong in connecting the dots that were shown to us publicly. I can't dispute or deny what Zack heard, but I have to maintain that publicly, Rhule and Brady went above and beyond to let it be known Teddy was "their" guy. So, now that I know Marty had more of a hand in it than I realized, it doesn't completely absolve them from shared responsibility in it. As Scot offered in his above reply to me, it's fair to assume they had a big hand in it, but Marty apparently was the driving force in making it happen. And also, now that I know that tidbit, he was a much bigger idiot than even I gave him credit for.

What a fuging idiot. Does he know many coaches play schemes based off the personnel they have available, which can change from year to year? My God, what an idiot. Wow. Just wow.

Quality post. Way to get in the mud for no fuging reason.

Who, Verge? I 100% believe her, but she is telling us what she's heard. It can't be confirmed. Whereas, we heard directly from Rhule and Brady over and over again, that Teddy was their guy and their decision. So, we know that for a fact. Now, I agree on the contract part, but if they said that's their guy and thats who they want, then I assume Tepper would've signed off on whatever it took to sign him. From everything Tepper, Rhule, and Brady said last offseason through the season, it sounds like they were calling the shots. I dont think its coincidental we heard less and less from Hurney after Rivera was fired. There was also the rumors that Tepper was ready to move on from Cam because he was seen as a holdover from Hurney/Rivera/JR's regime and he wanted his own guy to start fresh with (combined with the injury history, obviously). That's what I'm going off of... what we saw and heard from the team.

I've never seen it confirmed that it was Hurney's move. What i have heard and asked repeatedly was Rhule and Brady telling every play-by-play guy game in and game out last season that Brady has an existing relationship with Teddy and said if he got the chance to be an OC in the NFL that Teddy was the guy he wanted as his QB. Since it didn't pan out and Hurney was let go, all of a sudden it's become some sort of revisionist fact that it was all Hurney's doing and I haven't heard any official account confirm that. I have no narrative. You have the wrong guy. I want facts. I want to know for certain who did what and why, and if I know that, I can't dispute it. I dont give a poo about Hurney, and I've said numerous times that Rhule appears to be a great talent evaluator and developer as a coach, with the one caveat being, if Teddy was his guy and his decision, then evaluation of QBs appears to be a problem.

I know it has become en vogue to attribute that move to Hurney, probably because it makes it more palatable now that he's gone, and although we've never gotten a completely clear picture on that, last season Rhule and Brady went out of their way to tell anyone that would listen that Teddy was their guy who they targeted and brought in. So, despite the FO changes, I am holding the coaching staff responsible for that. TBH, in hindsight, I think Hurney had very little influence on the roster after Rhule was hired.

I'm not entirely sure, but I know he's got it and it's been verified.

Man, idk what it is, but Payton has it out for us. I know I'm biased, obviously, but it just doesn't seem like they're ever competing with Tampa and Atlanta for the same players in the draft or FA, but especially the draft. Yet, every year, we hear these stories and this behind the scenes chess game being played where they know who we want or target and they do everything they can to maneuver around us to get them. And I'll never forget that last game where we brought in Steven's last year after all that happened with him and them, and the camera went to the sideline everytime Steven's came in and Payton kept doing that arrogant, dismissive laugh. Dude is a certified asshole.

Good any day we get a chance to screw them before they screw us is a good day. I'm telling you, those MFs live to ruin our plans.

I agree. Just wanted to share my concerns. Like I said, I LOVE Horn and wanted him, even at 8 if that's how it shook out, and it did... but, I was surprised Fields was still there too. The lamenting after the fact is really because I believe in Fields more than Darnold, and no matter what else we do this offseason, everything hinges on whether or not Darnold is even an average QB, and that's scary. Regardless of that, I definitely look forward to seeing Horn develop into the dominant force I think he will become.

Not necessarily surefire, but I definitely believe in him more than Darnold. I didnt like Darnold coming out of USC, and what he showed in NY was exactly about what I expected from him when he was drafted. Now, yes, Gase is a trainwreck and that certainly didn't help... but again, it's concerning. I KNOW Fields ceiling is exponentially higher than Darnold's, and I think his floor is higher too.

No doubt. Like I said, I love Horn and I don't want my doubt over the QB position to cloud or obscure that... I love him as a player and I legit believe we just got a guy that takes away a side of the field on his own and possibly may become the best CB in the league. Other teams will envy us for Horn. I'm just really concerned about Darnold, and us waiting to exercise the 5th year option until after the first round, paired with their previous belief in Bridgewater... it's hard for me to shake that cloud hovering over us with it being the most important position on a team.

We have to hope Darnold is who the staff and organization is advertising him to be, because if we had the chance to pick a dynamic, franchise QB and didn't, and Darnold ends up being a Bridgewater 2.0, there will be hell to pay. Again, I love Jaycee as a player and had him as third on my meaningless personal big board. So, I liked him, and wanted him, and he fit a need. But, I also had Fields as my first option, and he was available at our pick, Sewell was gone, so Horn became the second option. Now, if Darnold comes out here and plays like a beast, while Fitt has now put together his version of LOB East, no one will even blink. That is obviously the scenario I'm hoping for, but I really worry we passed up on a real franchise QB with a stopgap in place. I really think them pushing all their chips in on Darnold will decide the fate of this staff. If they got it right, they are secure and look like geniuses. But, if they got it wrong, we passed up on a gamechanging QB with a top 10 pick this year, and will likely finish with a better record than 2020, even if Darnold is bad, which means we are picking further back in the draft... and as the last few years have shown, it is becoming increasingly hard to land a franchise QB in the middle to later picks. So, to be brief, if we weren't sure about Darnold, picking in the top 10 was our best bet to shore up the QB spot long-term. Again, I love Horn, but considering this staff dumped a beloved franchise QB, that even if he didn't have a right arm, still would've been more productive than the guy they paid 24M to replace him with and publicly gushed over before realizing how wrong they were and trading him away after 1 year... I'm just really concerned. Taking Horn in and of itself is an A+ move in my book, and I love the idea that we just drafted a guy that will shutdown opposing 1s and take away a whole side of the field on his own... but, as I said numerous times last season, you can get every other position on the field right, but if you get QB wrong, none of it will matter. And after the chickenshit they tried to shovel down our throats as chicken salad last year at QB, I'm worried about the position, regardless of what else we've done. The fact we waited to exercise Darnold's 5th year option until after passing on Fields in the first-round even seems indecisive on the organization's part in terms of their belief in Darnold.

Dont let the haters discourage you, Verge. You are appreciated and so is what you share. Thank you.

Didn't the guy with the hyphenated name from USC play tackle this year? Is he projected there in the pros? I've heard good things. Edit: Nevermind he just got picked. Regardless, whoever is there at the end of the first, I'm all for moving up. Last time we went back into the first for a tackle, it was Otah, who had it not been for injuries, would've been a hell of a player.

Not mad at it at all. As I stated all day, Horn was a top 3 guy for me, and with how the picks shook out, he was 1st or 2nd at the time we picked. And considering what the Hawks did at CB while Fitt was there, I 100% believe in his evaluation and selection of this pick. He checks all the boxes for a shutdown corner.

It doesn't matter where you take him if he ends up being the best to top 5 at his position. I think we just got that.

I figured as much when we used up all the clock, but if he was our top prospecr on the board, it worked out bc if we hadn't taken him, I think the Broncos would have.

Wanted our pick from Sewell, Fields, and Horn... so I'm not mad at the pick, although its a bit underwhelming for where we were. It would look a lot better if we could've found a partner to trade back a few picks, but then again, Denver took Surtain at 8, so he probably wouldn't have been there if we moved back. So, if we just got a Revis for the next 10+ years, we just made a great pick. I just really hope they are right on Darnold, but after their belief in Bridgewater, color me concerned.