Proudiddy

Not meaning to imply he is blameless, but I meant he is still a good player and isn't worth dumping for a guy the Eagles drafted high and couldn't beat out a UDFA.

Yup, sure is. People want to draw the line on what they find offensive and then play moral police for that cause, while ignoring the multitude of sins that don't offend them happening all around the league. But, it doesn't count as long as it isn't their team. This league blackballed a player from making a living for protesting police brutality. They have covered up multiple scandals, including one that likely cost us a Superbowl, and destroyed the evidence. They have harbored and protected numerous criminals under Goodell, including their own owners (see Irsay, Kraft). But, people draw the line at Watson? No doubt, if he did what he is accused of, he is a predatory dirtbag - but you don't get to pick and choose which crimes are acceptable to root for. You either support the product of the NFL as a whole, or you don't.

We don't know that she was willing. A lot of women are forced into that work unwillingly. I get what you're saying, but again, with money comes power, and those with power get to tell the stories.

I wasn't saying it was my opinion. It's what I'm speculating is happening/will happen. The NFL doesn't care about morals or ethics. If the video of Ray Rice never came out, he would have played the rest of his career out like nothing ever happened. The NFL only acted because they had to with the video being leaked. Prior to that, they had already "dealt" with it and elected to essentially do nothing. Same with the Zeke example, he honestly probably wouldn't be suspended if a video hadnt came out of him groping a woman. Donte Stallworth killed a man while drunk driving and still came back and played in the NFL. Chris Johnson is rumored to have had the guys who shot him and his associates assassinated as all part of a much bigger drug operation - he still played an entire career in the NFL. Roethlisberger more than likely raped a woman and was allowed to play an entire career AND be a face of the NFL. Pacman Jones had a lengthy rapsheet early on in his career and also was able to finish out his career. The NFL doesn't care about character. They care about money. Period. Owners don't care about character so long as it doesn't inhibit them from winning and making money. Period. And I was unaware I was a scumbag before, but nice to know.

Yeah, with money comes power... and I have to believe Tepper isn't trying to make this deal if he knows the NFL will sit him. I also suspect Tepper will do whatever it takes legally to make the cases go away. I mean, we don't have the same exact issues here, but Zeke was caught on camera groping a woman and only ended up suspended for 2 games IIRC, and Jerrah was giving Goodell a lot of poo for it, too. For better or worse, money talks and in this scenario, Watson is one of the biggest stars in the league and was in the running for MVP at one point with a poo team around him. Tepper is one of the wealthiest, if not THE wealthiest team owner out there, and it's good for business if both the NFL and the team Watson ends up on can put the legal issues behind him and get him back on the field. I have to believe throats already been discussed with the league before we would pursue it. This isn't saying the accusations don't matter or that this is morally or ethically the right thing to do of those accusations are true... it obviously wouldn't be. But, this is the NFL and all that matters is winning.

Yeah, as much as I wanted to believe in him and was encouraged by his opening presser and first season, the red flags are everywhere now and can't be ignored. As I mentioned yesterday in another thread, there was an interview with PJ Walker in the preseason on the Panthers Huddle and they asked him about playing for Rhule and his answer was a bit shocking. It wasn't flattery or endearing, in fact, it seemed a bit of the opposite and he alluded to players having to adjust when they got there and get used to how he did things... and iirc, said something along the lines of "once you get past the college stuff," but I can't find the interview or that episode anywhere now. I also remember the guys who did the Senior Bowl this year guffawing over Rhule, but then when they showed his direct interactions with the players when he was mic'd up, I was really put off... the guys didn't look like they responded at all and were really just doing their best to deal with him and tolerate him. He seemed to wear on them from what I saw, and they weren't even pros yet. Then this year, we come out with that wack ass, collegiate DBO sign, and funny enough, we've done just that, especially the last 3 weeks. These last 3 weeks have been absolutely illuminating in regards to our coaching staff and their inability to do their jobs.

Nothing's wrong with Robby. Our OC, QB, and OL suck.

Sounds like a leadership problem, and I ain't talking about the players.

I've always liked Chubba and believe he is a really great talent with great potential. Also, his pass pro was absolutely special yesterday... too bad, Darnold still sucked regardless. Chubba was absolutely selling out on those blocks he threw.

Please yes. Please just take him. And see if Rhule wants to be his towel boy.

I was telling a friend this earlier... this situation feels even more hopeless than the 1-15 season and the Pickles year because the further back you pull the scope on this team, especially offense, the more you see another problem that lies at the coaching staff's feet, and it's clear they don't know how to fix it. Is Sam bad? Absolutely. Complete ass. Is the line bad? Oh yeah, possibly worse than Sam, and thats hard to do. But, many teams throughout history have had to scheme around deficiencies - in fact, we've played some the last 3 weeks, and all 3 of them outcoached and outschemed our staff. Rivera and his staff were no strategists, but they schemed an offense all the way to a Superbowl despite having no receivers or OL, and an underwhelming RB unit. The NYG literally were down to almost all backups on the OL, their starting RB and top WRs were out, and fielded a defense that gave up 38 points the week before, and despite all of that, they came out and executed a flawless gameplan and whooped our ass. No line? No problem... they kept us guessing pass or run. If it's a pass, they got it out quick with slants and smoke screens to neutralize the rush. If it's a run, they varied the calls from outside zones, to powers, to inside zones, and then if we got too comfortable with that, they ran the read option with Jones so the run defense couldn't get too aggressive upfield. Thry kept us off balance, and one llay felt like it was setting up the next, and then they got into a rhythm. The Eagles did the same thing. Vikings too. And Joe Brady and Rhule are just sitting there with their thumb up their asses saying, "we have to figure it out." No, it should have already been figured out. I said in the preseason that rotating guys all over the OL instead of just playing guys at one spot and letting them get comfortable was going to bite us in the ass... and here we are. All because of that bullshit ass college poo he brought in here. And then to make things worse, Brady has no fuging clue how to scheme around it, yet he's getting an in-person lesson every fuging week. So like I said, this is about as hopeless and as dire as I can remember it being because never before were we able to look at the staff and say they are the ultimate reason this is happening because they are completely inept and are in over their heads despite any areas of personnel weakness. Now we can.

If we traded for Tua, I will poo a fuging fireball and would be done with this poo until a new regime comes in. Tua is fuging awful.

Any idea what we may be giving up, @Verge? I really hope we keep Burns. I would much rather trade away CMC then offer up any of our young defensive stars.

And more specifically, I said it in the gameday thread, but the last 3 weeks, we were the better team talent-wise across the board, and we absolutely got out-schemed in every game, and not by a little.

When LP, one of the more reasoned and patient Huddlers we have, posts a Proudiddy-style, post-loss reactionary thread, you know poo has hit the fan. Never in all my years! Love you, LP, and I 100% agree!

For those of you that remember there was a punt in the first half where I believe the Giants ran a punt safe. Turns out, Rhule called a fake punt from our own 15 and checked out of it. Lol next-level coaching there.

Not disagreeing, was just trying to bring some levity to a seemingly hopeless feeling situation for our franchise right now. But, furthermore, I honestly don't think Tepper gives a flying poo what anyone thinks about him or what he does.

Not to make light of the situation, because if he is a predator, that is no laughing matter, but to be fair, there should already be protests against Darnold's horrible play and the fact we traded a 2nd round pick for him.

So maybe we will give him a happy ending after all? I'll see myself out.

Thought it was quite interesting that he said losing should infuriate the players, and he's sitting on the sideline down 22 points to one of the worst teams in the league playing without the majority of their starters with a poo-eating grin.

Yup. Train wreck. Sounded like a guy who isn't all that invested and doesn't really care one way or another.

Love Ron the person and the man, but as a coach he is really mediocre. Not a strategist at all and as result, he greatly depended on his team's talent to win out, which ultimately resulted in cutting Cam's prime and career short and a lot more losses than we should have endured. And yes, his lack of adjustments and coaching acumen began to wear on me from very early on... That being said, and as you alluded to, his players absolutely loved him though. He was one of them and understood them, and pretty much every player I ever heard talk about him vouched for him and loved him. Funny enough, I have not heard one player under this staff do the same for them. In fact, we've actually heard the opposite, quite a few times. I even heard PJ give an interview during preseason this year where he was asked what it was like playing under Rhule and his answer was less than glowing. He tried to clean it up, but it sounded like a guy who didn't believe in his coaches and he even mentioned something about it taking time for other players to buy in... and that was a guy that played for him in college. I remember being shocked that Panthers Media even allowed that to be put out there. So yeah, things aren't looking good.

And you're on your way back to college...

I agree, but this ship is already sinking. And again, its not looking like the staff will be around to go down with it if this keeps up. And we could just as well blow the dame amount of draft picks trying to find a franchise QB and still fail if we take that route. But, I don't expect it to cost a king's ransom, as this is also with the idea in mind that Houston doesn't have much leverage either. He doesn't want to be there, he has legal troubles hanging over him, and he will not play another down for them... it can only end one way, it's a matter of the price to play.

No, I agree with you in it being a moral and ethical dilemma. But, this is the NFL. I have no interest in cheering on a guy who may have done the things he has done, although is he innocent until proven guilty, and I don't like the optics of it either. But, you either do whatever it takes to win, or you will be unemployed and without a QB, you aren't winning.