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And again, the hilarious part about it, is anyone that watches this team knows it's not the QBs that are fuging the offense up. It's the coaching.

I was banging the table for Harbaugh back when everyone knew he was leaving Stanford. I'm sure he still would've ended up leaving like he did with SF, but he is proven on both levels. He knows how to excel at the pro level and what it takes - both from a coach's and a player's perspective. I wouldn't be mad at all if we went that direction. I prefer a young offensive-minded coordinator already in the NFL, but Harbaugh wouldn't be a bad hire at all. In fact, he likely would be the best coach we ever had to this point.

Yeah, that was a separate source. I know its essentially the same story, but as a mod, I elect to leave this as-is because the more threads on it, the more run it gets. Rhule needs to go. Period. Keep the pressure on local media, national media, and Panther Nation.

Now you've thrown a wrench in things.

This. I tried to explain it better, but you did so more concisely. It's cheap and easy to say as an insult and rhymes with his name. I find it ridiculous that I have to break down his body type to justify using it lol... but I agree, he doesn't even appear to be "fat." Smh...

Relax. It isn't a personal insult based off of his appearance. It's more a convenient insult that rhymes with his name, so it's cheap and easy to use. I dont care if he was was 170 lbs., I would probably still use it as an insult because it's demeaning, not because it's reflective of or judgmental of his personal appearance or weight. Growing up, my friends and I would call each other fat and I was 9% body fat into my twenties lol. I would joke it was more a mindset than a physical state. I get everyone is not me, and in this day and age, everyone is hypersensitive, but I don't mean it as a personal attack on his appearance or weight. I'd also like to add, I have seen this criticism multiple times now, yet funny, I don't see people getting sensitive about calling him a fool. So, judgments on our opinions of his intelligence is okay, but perceived slights about his weight are not? Again, it was meant as a general insult, not a personal attack. Yes, he is a human being, and that matters, but this hypersensitivity and everyone looking to be offended is a bit excessive imo.

The thing that really bothers me with this even more than it usually would, is that this article comes out acknowledging Tepper is embarrassed and such, but then just 2 weeks ago, Tepper felt moved enough by that fan's sign asking for Rhule to be fired that he asked them "what they were drinking?" I have a hard time reconciling that guy with one who is embarrassed of Rhule.

Nah, Coach Hov knows our guys "DBO."

As long as Watson is cleared legally, I don't have a problem trading for him. And I expect the cost to get him will be significantly lower than what has been reported thus far... What I do have a problem with is trading for Watson if Rhule is still coaching here. Trading for anyone while Rhule is coach will be a complete waste of assets and resources.

Also, someone hit up Jonathan Jones and see if he feels like doing another franchise-changing hit piece.

Good. Time for Panther Nation to start retweeting the hell out of Teddy's post-Panther interview. Somebody go check in with Joe Brady, while we're at it, too.

Somebody had to stir the poo, and he is just the guy to do it. We need more of what we got today... it's the reason Meyer ended up getting canned - because the media kept pressing and stuff kept leaking exposing just how miserable and insufferable he was as a human being. They kept digging and finding more and more examples of how he was creating a toxic culture within their building and in their organization... one that made them unappealing, both to the public and to prospective employees. And that could not be allowed to continue. It's clear in the product on the field and in the pressers, just as it was with Meyer and the Jags, that dysfunction is pervasive and evident in every aspect of this organization. The same forensics that pointed to Meyer's failings time and again are evident everywhere you look here with Rhule - the difference has been, we haven't had the hard-hitting, damning first-hand leaks to corroborate it and get the ball rolling on getting him tf out of here. Now, some of that was Meyer's fault, speeding the process up himself, bc players like Lambo, who was the nail in the coffin, were jilted and had no incentive to keep quiet about their experience. Also, the lapdance incident and then the internal leaks he was forced to acknowledge all cumulatively resulted in his undoing. We are just now starting to get the first-hand leaks and seeing the cracks in the outer facade. But, with Person's report, it is speeding the process up, as we needed... we just need more of it. Because it is putting the pressure on Tepper, much as the media did with Khan, to acknowledge his mistake (Rhule) and move on from it. We're on the precipice of what we need with this report breaking on the heels of his worst presser ever where he awkwardly compared himself to Jay-Z and cited a Fresh Prince meme, while telling the world his process is working, we're just too dumb and green to see it... Keep it up, Joe! We need you, big dog!

Yeah, I and don't understand the "expect 2022 to be his last year" line? If that is already the verdict, than why tf are we bringing him back? It's a complete waste of a season and pointless. So, again, if this is the decision Tepper is making, he has decided to punt an entire year of time, assets, resources, etc., to only be in a worst position in 2023. It makes absolutely zero sense. He just doesn't care about winning if that is the case. And to piggyback off another point Person made in the article about Rhule's credibility in the locker room - I have seen and heard things guys like Reddick and Walker have said about him, when asked THIS YEAR, and I have always prided myself on my ability to read non-verbal cues and body language. I consider it a gift... pairing that with the words they actually said, and they actually seem very uncomfortable in their relationships with him. At the very least, they seem cold and distant. Not the type of feelings you would expect for cornerstones of your college programs who made it to the pros to feel towards their coach who has been with them in both levels. I mentioned it before, but I was watching a Panthers Huddle episode from the preseason some months back now, and they had a clip from a presser with PJ, and he was asked what it was like to play for Rhule in the pros and such... and his answer was less than flattering. He didnt intend for it to be that way. In fact, he seemed very forthcoming, but it didn't come off well at all. He said something along the lines of, "once the guys get here and get past all of the college stuff" they do fine. That line stuck with me. PJ has been with other pro teams. He may have even been the league MVP in the XFL had they been allowed to finish their season.... he's seen how other pro organizations operate. To say something like that about any pro coach is fairly damning, IMO. And in general, when his college guys are asked about him, they seem like they prefer to avoid it and I haven't seen one vouch for his character or for him as a coach. Cam is the only guy I have heard do it, and Cam would do it no matter who the coach is because that's who he is... But the guys who have spent years and time with him, they don't seem all that loyal or attached to him. When they have to answer questions about him, there seems to be an instant shift in their demeanor, like you would expect from someone when they genuinely don't like someone but they have to put up with them. Now, why they would sign up to come play for him in the case of like Reddick? Idk, but I'm certain there is something there.

It Took Jay-Z Seven Years To Become An Overnight Sensation, LLC has a nice ring to it.

@Zod? It would be groundbreaking for a current coach to get the filter while he's still here. But, I want to watch the world burn.

I would absolutely love to get curbstomped like 77-0. And thanks to Fhule and Darn-Cold, we have a shot.

Good thing I watched my last game of the Rhule era last week. Funny how suddenly there is no certainty of a multi-QB system now that he has his golden child bust, sorry ass loser of a QB, that he handpicked, at the helm again. fug Fatt Fhule. You're a fuging joke and I wish you nothing but professional failure in the remaining years you coach, you fat bitch.

Sean Payton has an eye for talent with untapped potential to be developed... meaning, he would not do this trade.

Didn't know that's what it was, because I don't deem that ok. I'll have to look it up. I was just speaking to what I know of him since he got into coaching and strictly in terms of what he offered in that capacity. I'll also say, I don't excuse that behavior at all, but I still think people can change and grow.

I know he had got in trouble when he was younger, but I believe in second chances and it seems he is believed in and really well-liked universally, so I am inclined to think those things are behind him. But good point about the dynamic with Cam. Hadn't thought about that report since that interview cycle.

I still wanted Bienemy.

I know we as fans don't bear the weight of responsibility of having to actually carry out the poo we scream out from week to week - like firing people. And often times, we just do it to express an emotion, knowing we don't expect it to happen or believe that it should, but rather just to reflect our feelings about something in the moment. I know I do it. I think we all do at various points, and more often than not, don't mean it... That being said, even while operating with that in mind, this was one of those times where we do mean it, and we have every right to. And as such, this was the one big measuring stick for me about Tepper. I won't hold him accountable for being methodical and measured with what he inherited, although maybe those parties didn't deserve that amount of consideration. For example, I wanted him to can Ron as soon as he got here and bring in a GM to at least work alongside Hurney from the beginning... but, I understood being prudent. He didnt want to seem impulsive. I get it. But, again, Rhule was his choice. And so, this decision was where my accountability for him truly started, and if he is indeed leaving him employed, he has failed miserably... and its not looking good for the future if this is his process and approach. We have a coach and staff who are failing miserably at their jobs, with no signs of any progress whatsoever. Nothing to hang your hat on moving forward. The only thing delineating Rhule from Meyer is that Meyer physically assaulted a player... and thats a pretty low bar to have to hit to maintain employment.

In another similar situation, I would agree that this is the blueprint to fix our woes... But truth is, it won't. Not as long as Rhule is here. The offense is so broken and the philosophy is so arcane, you literally could trade for Aaron Rodgers, and draft all starter-caliber players on the OL, and unless they give Rodgers full autonomy and power of the offense and playcalls, we would still manage to win only about 5 games a season as long as Rhule is here.