TylerDurden

I’ll be your huckleberry.

This is what Brycers do. Still. ”Yeah, I know he sucks and is statistically the worst starting QB in the NFL since he was drafted, but no one else would be an upgrade in my personal opinion, so we should keep starting him.”

But my reason for bringing that up isn’t just specifically because of Bryce. My point being, there are paid professionals who scout every day for a living. Guys whose entire job is to comb over hours and hours of game film and travel the country to watch players in-person… and even these guys hitch their wagons (and careers) to players that had no business being picked where they were - Bryce just happens to be a prime example. And as you mentioned, a lot of heads rolled for that decision. But it illustrates my point - just as this thread does. This may be the most poo reactions I’ve ever garnered for a post. Why? Because ego. Because people want to be right and like to tell people about it. People also don’t like to be wrong and be reminded they were. It’s why reactions to this hypothetical are so strong. The vast majority are poo’ing me or getting in their zingers as part of the cliquish mentality that comes with said ego-driven behavior - many are so emotionally anti-Deion that they so desperately want Shedeur to fail. They don’t want to give him credit when he plays well. And they certainly don’t want him coming here, whether he plays well or not because their hope is he’s a flash in the pan and ultimately flops. Then, there’s the faction of fans who are still clinging on to the hope of all hopes that Bryce has finally figured it out (AGAIN), and this time, there’s no looking back. So, then, they can tell everyone how they rode for him since college and kept believing when no one else did, even when he was struggling to throw for 125 yards in a game, or turning the ball over 3 times before halftime. So me presenting the idea of using mid-late draft capital to acquire a rookie QB, on a rookie contract, who just overcame tons of adversity to string together several quality starts and, most recently, put up some very impressive numbers is met with one-liners and insults. Why? Because they want to be right. They are emotional. Be it they want Bryce to succeed so they don’t want real competition in here, or they just want Shedeur to fail - it’s strictly emotional. Because again, statistically, they have no grounds to stand on. Which is why I asked if it isn’t statistical, then what is it? It’s ego. It’s emotion. Just like all those scouts bet the farm on Bryce and paid with their jobs for it. They staked their jobs on account of their egos that they were right. We’re on a message board, so obviously the stakes are non-existent, but people still want to be able to say “told you so.” I get it. But I don’t care. I’m not emotional about it. I loved Deion as a kid. I’m pulling for Shedeur, no doubt. But I’m also capable of removing sentiment and emotion and if Shedeur stunk, I’d wish him well in his future endeavors. Likewise, I did NOT want Bryce. But we drafted him. Thus, I removed my personal feelings about it in hopes that our team got it right… and although I was probably quicker to react when he failed (the “told you so” factor), I still hoped for the best. I still hope for the best - but again, at this juncture, we have seen enough to know that competition at the QB spot is needed this offseason regardless of how we, and Bryce, finish the year. And to further my point, even the discussions now taking place in this thread regarding Howell and Murray - again, if it’s not statistically-based, then what is it? We have gulfs and valleys between opinions on these guys, but statistically (and I would argue visually), they are superior to Bryce. Yet, we still have people arguing that Bryce is better or deserves the starting spot handed to him for 2026. It’s folly. It’s ego. It’s emotion. And I’m not directing that towards you, I’m saying we’re all susceptible to like what we like and dislike what we don’t. I just find it humorous to see such strong reactions to Shedeur when we have people still lobbying for an unmitigated path to the 2026 starting gig for Bryce after 2.5 years of proof he is the worst starter in the NFL. Regardless, again, I’m hoping he goes on a magical run and we win a Super Bowl this season lol. Even then - bring in the comp.

No copying… Great minds and all that, brother!

I said in a previous thread some time ago, if Brooks makes it through his rookie contract here, that alone is found money. That isn’t even speaking to the idea of him contributing. I don’t think that’s likely at all. All three of Chuba, Eico, and Etienne are legit, talented RBs. I honestly want to see Etienne given more opportunities because he has a special kind of elusiveness to him. So, unless they let Rico go for what is essentially a rookie RB who hasn’t played football in almost two entire years for what would be a blind guess on what he can do, I don’t see how Brooks sticks. Also, I’m no doctor obviously, so I’ll leave them to be the experts on that stuff - but reading how he took a strip of IT band from his leg to graft, and then used a strip of the patella tendon two different times in these surgeries - that makes me pretty uncomfortable. How will those other donor areas hold up now? Are they more susceptible to injury now following these surgeries? It just doesn’t logically seem like that’s a positive for him moving forward. And iirc, TD had cadaver ligaments used in his surgeries, so that seems like less damage to the rest of the body because you’re not taking anything from anywhere else.

Hurts looks like pure ass tonight.

Same on all counts. Thank you for your objective ability to watch football lol.

So, I like Shedeur, but as I’ve said in previous threads, in terms of the upcoming draft, Mendoza is the one guy I would lock in on.

You’re in the minority, I’m aware of his reputation for holding onto the ball too long, but give me someone whose issue is holding onto the ball too long but can hit a wide open 50 yard air pass when it’s there over a guy who often just doesn’t pull the trigger or can’t make the throw at all. Again, the point of this thread is, no matter how Bryce finishes the year, competition needs to be brought in and an influx of talent at QB. I happen to like Shedeur and if he was an option, as a young QB in his rookie contract, to me seems like a good idea if the price is right.

Scot, I’ve watched his full games.. Since college. I’m aware of the perceived weaknesses and flaws. Yet, we have/had a front office full of paid football professionals who “full game” scouted Bryce Young and thought he was worthy of the #1 overall pick. We also have a faction of our fanbase that, even when presented with a better option at QB, choose to keep believing in Bryce Young despite the fact that even with his occasional Atlanta games, or how he played against the Rams, he is still the statistically worst starting QB in the NFL since he’s been at the helm. So, it can’t be based off play or scouting. So what is it based off of?

Always appreciate you, AL. But it’s clear if you look at the initial post and the amount of poo reactions I got combined with all the decades old burns these troglodytes typed up, the vast majority of their objections are rooted in Shedeur and Deion hate. I have seen a ton of “If Deion wasn’t his dad” arguments, but let me flip that - If Deion wasn’t his dad, and as a 5th round rookie, he just threw for 350+ yards and had 4 TDs, 99% of these guys would be interested in acquiring him. I see why our fanbase is such a joke… these the same folks who have spent 30 years hemming and hawing “well, there’s always next year,” or argued Chris Weinke should be starting over Jake through 2006, or we should’ve drafted Marcel Dareus over Cam. They’re okay with mediocrity. We finally have vaulted ourselves into contention in spite of the QB who has tried to play us out of it most games, and now they’re fat and happy and cool with the bare minimum from the QB position, so the cycle continues. Dont get me wrong, again, for the sake of this year I hope Bryce goes on a magical run, and against all odds, we win the Super Bowl. But after the last 3 years, even if he does, we would be dumb to not still bring in competition to start at the QB position.

As I’ve said in other threads, the amount of chances Bryce has been given is the definition of entitlement. I’ve never before seen a guy be handed something he’s done everything in his power to piss away and show he wasn’t deserving of it. He has been given chance after chance after chance and at every turn, he showed he wasn’t deserving. And not only was he still given the job, but this organization went out of their way to coddle him and ensure nothing threatened his ego or confidence - measures usually reserved for proven franchise QBs. Deion may have put Shedeur in advantageous positions, but Shedeur is overcoming adversity on his own and he is showing out.

And despite that, he has been given nothing by the NFL and Stefanski. His own HC has tried to sabotage him and Shedeur still worked and just put up a performance no rookie QB has within such a short time frame since the merger. It wasn’t handed to him. He earned it.

Can’t hold us responsible if the NBA didn’t disclose it either.

Some of this is just brainstorming/throwing poo against the wall, seeing as how we have one of the least talented QB rooms in the league. We need a talent infusion badly. I feel Shedeur has the prerequisite talent athletically and as a passer, and I have since his college career. Do I think he will actually be traded this offseason? 99% not likely. On one hand, he’s proven to likely be the best QB on their roster. On the other, they, and no other team wanted to take a chance on him for 4 rounds, so there has to be a price they would be willing to part ways with him for. That’s why I brought up the Joe Milton situation as an example. He was drafted to a team who took another rookie QB much earlier in the draft, spent his rookie year with them, then was traded before his second year for a relatively low value. But, again, I also think the attention Shedeur naturally garners makes teams uncomfortable about rostering him if he’s not a starter. I don’t think we trade for him, and I don’t think the Browns trade him anywhere. That being said, this is a message board. Possibilities are fun to discuss and we’re here for discussion. also,I’m talking about a trade for a mid-late round pick for a talented QB/developmental QB on his rookie deal; that is the antithesis of the Matt Flynn situation. He had a solid couple games in GB and Seattle broke the bank on him and he bombed big time. That’s a valley of difference between the situations.

lol Shedeur is a rookie and is already better than Bryce. Bryce didn’t have a single game like that as a rookie. Shedeur has only started, what? 2 or 3 games? And it’s not after one good game, I’ve been saying he was possibly the best QB in this draft class - number two at worst, prior to the draft. I think he fell because owners had an axe to grind with Deion and Shedeur also suffers from the same issue Cam faced as a personality - he’s too big to be a backup and teams don’t want that distraction in their backup.

You guys sure have some sick burns for people who have preached patience for 3 straight years to wait for a QB to show us he is the 32nd ranked starting QB since he’s been in the league. I also said to never trade up in the 2023 draft and wait for Drake Maye the next year. Yet, here we are. But yuck it up fellas…

Regardless of how our season goes, most unanimously agree, we need to revamp the QB position. I been banging the table for Shedeur for a few years now, and he is proving his worth… we honestly should’ve drafted him but it doesn’t matter now. I think he’s going to have a similar path as Joe Milton, where he was drafted late and flipped for a slightly better pick than where he was drafted at prior to his second year. Maybe a 4th rounder? also, Stefanski is a POS.

First place. And fug the saints and bucs.

Zavala is the new Kugbila.

Damn. This feels a lot like the Wilks year all of a sudden. I know we didn’t have to sweep them, but everything hinging on what we do against Tampa. Sigh…

Was looking at a Bill Barnwell article on it earlier and the FPI has Tampa with a 70.2 % chance to win the division and us at 20.8%. I do feel better knowing if we can get to 10 wins, and maybe even 9 depending on what happens above us, we hold tiebreakers over 3 of those teams - and that’s not even knowing what Tampa will do outside of our games, but I hope they have a meltdown.

I also love that Jake and Luke are still so invested in this organization’s success. They still feel a part of it.

Yeah, ngl, I really, really, really thought he was 1000% gonna get that poo punched out. I was holding my breath the whole return… honestly, it was a shitty play by the Rams player.