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The Bryce Brigade got hyped off that average performance last week. He showed flashes but the weaknesses were still far too glaring. And here we are... dude had -6 net passing yards going into the final drive of the half, and now the super processor just threw a pick 6 on a super late throw to the sideline, which you know not to do from the earliest stages of playing football. Rookie or not, it's time to admit drafting him #1 overall was a mistake. Yall get excited about him doing super average poo but don't want to acknowledge all of the absolutely horrible poo he does on the regular that's far more prevalent than him completing an "incredible" 10 yard throw.

He is much needed. I have been beyond disappointed with Smith-Marsette as a returner.

Still left a ton of points on the field that should've been on the board.

Bryce played well. Made some good passes we hadn't seen to this point. But, tbh, I still do not like the way the offense looks. I'm not going to go too deep into detail aside from saying the blocking fuging sucks both in the pass and the run game, but I still question if some of the issues are inherent to Bryce's limitations or comfortability. It's hard to tell what's causing the issues, so I'm not going to assign them to any one thing or person and just say, it's the best he's played and that's a good thing... also, maybe credit to Houston'a defense for still making it a ugly win. Let's see where it goes...

Wtf???? Had completely forgot about him and would've never guessed he was even looking to still play as long as he's been gone. He was a solid player for a stretch though... iirc, injuries took a toll on him.

fug Frank. Dumbass. I was holding onto hope that he already had and we just didn't know it, so that way we knew his whole fuging system was just broken and we did all we could do. But you mean to tell me this dude ran the whole fuging season into the ground being a fuging stubborn idiot and THEN you're gonna let Bronw call plays after you blew our season to.fuging poo. fug you, Frank.

I just came here to say the same. I said in the GameDay thread that I remember telling some friends that aren't Panther fans that Teddy was by far the most frustrating QB we've ever had to watch week to week, mostly because he was so risk averse so he defaulted to check downs on the regular. I have to amend that... Bryce has now supplanted him in that spot, because having watched both, Teddy didn't want to throw deep, but he very infrequently would and was capable of hitting them... he at least was close when he attempted. I think yesterday was the first or second attempt of 20+ yards Bryce has attempted in like 3 weeks, and again, none of them are close. I also said in the GameDay thread that so many of the things people are blaming his troubles on are a result of his inability to attempt and complete deep throws to stretch the defenses, so they're able to compress the field into about a 15 x 15 yard box. And the same football experts that find constant excuses for Bryce and his issues amazingly struggle to see that the lack of a threat of a deep pass compresses the field which makes routes harder to run in that space, the run game impossible to get going bc they stack the box, and it allows them to be more aggressive in rushing the passer which affects the OL.

Ok. I understand that. But we've also seen enough football in our lifetimes to see enough examples of seeing players demonstrate time and again that they are not NFL starter material. Now, how often did franchises waste years of assets and resources trying everything in their power to make that not the case once they clearly saw the mistake they made, making the hole they already were in deeper and deeper? Brother, we have a former Pro Bowler in Chark, a damn good proven receiver in Thielen, a 2nd rounder invested in Mingo, and all of that was invested this year to help Bryce. As soon as Bryce started to show signs of struggle, Chark and Thielen all of sudden were horrible according to the masses at the sacrificial altar of Bryce. The poo is ridiculous. Then I pointed out Thielen is the best slot statistically in the league, and you say it's further evidence the rest of the cast is part of the problem. You think me pointing out his struggles is biased, but you literally, despite using objective language, are biased skewing in favor of Bryce, and that's evident in the discussion about Thielen and the supporting cast... with all due respect. So, while I understand the process and letting it play out, the facts are, we have already poured a ton of resources into this project. We already completely pushed all of our chips in the table and sold out to make things as optimal as we could for Bryce coming into his rookie year. And now all of a sudden our OL sucks ass? Our receivers suck ass? Our RBs are ass? Everything is ass but Bryce. I understand he is a rookie, but we're seeing him struggle with basic things you expect of a starting-level QB in the NFL despite all of the resources our franchise has poured into making him successful as a rookie. That is not encouraging at all. And despite babysteps made in his development, we have not had one "Ah-Ha" moment where collectively we can all say, "now that is why we drafted him #1 overall!" So yes, we can give him two full years, but when a guy can't make basic NFL throws because he lacks the ability to, that has nothing to do with the staff or talent around him. If you try ten times, I expect you to come close at least once, and he doesn't... that doesn't come with time or development. The stuff he is missing is evident because you either can do it from day one, or you can't. AR and Stroud might not test well, and they might not have the greatest anticipation ever, but if a guy flashes open 25 yards downfield, they can get it to him with the flick of a wrist and complete it. Bryce cannot and has not. And when defenses play you like you can't, that tends to make everything else harder- they get super aggressive with blitzes and load the box on the run because they don't have to defend anything 20+ yards downfield or anything on the sidelines... so by default, him playing puts us at a disadvantage because defense don't have to play the entire field and essentially can compress it down to 15 x 15 yard box bases off the throws he is comfortable and capable of making. This is evident in his passing charts. It's fact. And yet, we have people blaming everyone but him for why every facet of our offense looks so dysfunctional. It is incredible the amount of denial in defense of him. Again, I wanted him to succeed regardless if I wanted him to eb the pick or not, because our success was dependent on his success. I would be fuging ecstatic if he miraculously turned it around and found Mike's secret stuff over the bye week and came out looking like what we wanted and expect from a #1 overall pick... hell, I'd even settle for a 4th round pick at this point. But, again,all of the red flags are there that this is trending to be a bust. But ok... give him two years so we can see more of what most who have watched football their whole lives already know. Again, I would love to be wrong, and would be the first to happily admit I am if he could turn it around... but I'm confident that he won't because of what we're seeing.

Ok. You have your view, and you believe it is more fair and objective than mine. Congrats. You want to give him two years. Cool. See you in two years and let's see who is closer to being right.

"Despite 0-6 start David Tepper has the world's biggest dick."

Regardless of what I felt about him before we drafted him, once he was the choice, I bought in and wanted to believe. I even bought into the mincamp and preseason hype and highlights the team shared. What I'm saying now is based off of evidence. Everyone blamed the receivers and as they stated today, Thielen is literally the best slot receiver in the league right now... so, you can't have it both ways. I get it, he's a rookie, but some poo he is lacking is just expected of an NFL QB at baseline, rookie or not. You can attribute my issues with him to whatever you want, but at the end of the day, it doesn't make it any less true. What he has shown even in optimal situations sprinkled throughout 6 weeks does not look like a franchise QB. We can hope that he is, but at the end of the day, it will be what it is... and it doesn't look good. It's better to acknowledge a mistake early and fix it then to close your eyes and keep pretending it's not a mistake in the first place. He deserves the rest of the season, but I just don't see him becoming much more than he is because of his limitations he has demonstrated over and over again.

"Nicole Tepper isn't just a pretty face. She also has a nice ass."

"Panthers learn to lean on David Tepper's gloriously large balls during tough stretch."

"Despite tough loss to NFL's best offense, Panthers have cool uniforms."

"Maestro still ready to direct his orchestra"

But it is. You don't need advanced metrics or all 22 access to see that he wasn't worthy of the #1 pick. Period. Anything else is excuses. We have 6 weeks of football as a sample size. He is extremely limited, even when considering all of the other factors at play. I talk poo but have held out hope he would show something of promise - objectively, whether you choose to believe it or not. He has not given me anything to feel hopeful about. The things he is doing and has flashed on are literally things I would expect from a backup-level NFL QB.

"Waaaah waaaah! The mod doesn't think Bryce Young is a good QB like I do! Waaaah!"

Gotta admit. We are well-coached.

Imagine a world where your DBs can generate as many passing TDs as your #1 overall pick QB.

I never thought I'd see a QB who could replicate the 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense via the passing game.

He'll need two more quarters and 30 more throws. But relax, it's the receivers'/coaches'/o-line's fault.

I told some friends back when we had Teddy thatbhe was by far the most frustrating QB to watch that we had ever had... I now amend that. Teddy was. But at least Teddy would occasionally, maybe even twice a game, try a deep throw that was CLOSE. This offense is fuging hopeless.

You know poo has gone to hell when your fuging punter is getting personal foul penalties.

Or maybe we can pass 5 yard hitches all the way to the superbowl. Apparently that's what our front office and coaching staff thought we would do. Which is more asinine?

Lol when they get their hands on Bryce it looks like child abuse.