Proudiddy

Yes. I was actually excited about Ickey when we drafted him and I usually hate picking OLs in the first. He had all the tools and build of a cornerstone, franchise LT. I thought it was as close to a surefire hit as we could’ve made under the Fitterer years. In hindsight, I think we honestly could’ve plugged a random UDFA at LT or had a revolving door there in the same amount of time since Ickey been here and had equal to better results.

So, I think what we’ve learned in this stretch since BY has been back in the lineup is BY isn’t as bad as he looked, but he still isn’t the future, and Canales is a really good coach who can get the most out of any QB. Today, the defense and OL have been a huge problem, but I think we’re still in this game without Bryce’s turnovers. He’s not as horrible as he looked last year and the first two games this year, but he is still only a backup-level QB in the pros. The fumbles are one thing, but that can of corn he just threw on top of that? We’ve seen enough.

And then there's that... so, like I said, let's see if he can sustain it and build on it. He really did look good today, but I agree - the reason I didn't want him since college is because I didn't feel he had the tools to excel in the NFL either... but, we'll see.

Pretty much this. I have been a critic and detractor of Young since college. He looked surprisingly, and yet convincingly good today. Let's see if it's sustainable... ideally, for the benefit of our franchise, if he can figure it out and parallel with Canales continuing along the trajectory he's on, we would have a LOT less to worry about for the future, obviously.

Here, let's try it like this... Bryce is playing better. Bryce is still not a starting-caliber QB in the NFL and severely hampers this team.

Yeah, he definitely isn't as mobile and elusive. But to me, his decision making has looked really underwhelming compared to the past... but that could all stem from his inability to move how he's used to and then he's frustrated and overcompensating.

I didn't even know who TMac was until now. I still like Hunter better. He is a gamechanger and dynamic. I think obviously he'd be more of a DB snd used much like Woodson, Deion, and Hester were early... mostly just a guy to run streaks if you do use them on offense to stretch the field, but otherwise, they're primarily DBs. I watched something recently where a former pro WR (might've been Ocho?) critiqued Hunter's route running and they said he just isn't very refined... he's just an incredible athlete. Still would be fun to have the possibility.

I used to get excited about questions like this... now it just depresses me bc I'm like, "oh no! But what about pass rushers? What about a QB?" Our team is so fuged up.

Picture a world where a guy who couldn't hold Chase Daniel's jock as an NFL QB swindled a dumbass franchise into drafting them number 1 overall. Welp, you don't have to bc we did it! He might trick one more team, but after that, he's going to wash out fast.

ARod is clearly not what we thought he was... that system and coaching in GB clearly had something to do with his, Favre, and now Love's success. Yes, Rodgers had incredible physical tools, and yes he's pushing 40 and coming off an achilles, but from the poo I've seen him fug up this year, it has very little to do with age or injuries. That offense has explosive weapons and the defense was already legit. He just doesn't look good.

Yeah, Ewers is not a first rounder. 3rd at best. Ward honestly looks like the most dynamic playmaker with the ability to pick up/carry teammates - an actual franchise QB.

Tbh, all the people complaining about it being a wasted pick are ignoring how using it on Brooks was actually really a great plan for the long-term... RBs usually tend to crap out shortly after their rookie contract is up, OR they sign for a mega deal and then go south so fast that the value is never there. So, as much as I love Chuba and am proud of the player he has become, it's really smart to draft a rookie with this much potential as the contingency plan for the next 4 years... it sets us up great if we can find a QB bc we'll have a potential superstar RB on a dirt cheap deal. The way the modern NFL is - nobody wants to be on the hook for a well-earned second RB contract, so no matter how much we love Chuba, the smart move is to let him sign elsewhere when his contract is up (unless he gave us a huge sweetheart deal, but not many players are in the business of giving money away).

Yeah, back when we were competitive, I hated both of these teams... now I just get to appreciate fun, good, well-played quality football.

Yeah... Rattler is throwing fuging DAWTS.

Just posted the same. But again, I think it goes back to the criteria I look for in a franchise QB (which doesn't have to be a #1 overall pick) - can a guy make plays for himself AND others and create plays that aren't there when things breakdown? Does he make those around him better? Bryce is like the antithesis of all of those traits. poo is embarrassing that we had a office full of so-called experts who decided to fug over the whole trajectory of our franchise for a guy who can't couldn't excel as an NFL QB if he was throwing to prime Rice, Moss, and TO, with a fuging all-pro starting 5 OL. And Rattler isn't just marginally better- he is fuging markedly better, and playing with way less.

Rattler, drafted in the 5th round... also a better starting NFL QB than the piece of poo we traded DJ Moore and draft picks for to take #1 overall.

Was just listening to ESPN radio while running errands, and the question was what rookie QB lost the most games in their rookie year in NFL history. They all guessed guys like Tory Aikman... I quietly sat feeling like I contently only knew the answer because I'm a Panthers fan... But they stumped me too... It wasn't Weinke, to my surprise. It was Dashone Kizer with Cleveland who lost 15 starts. I don't even remember him starting a whole season - that is wild. That being said, here is the depressing part - he then said there are 4 other rookie QBs in NFL history who have lost 14 games in their rookie season. And of course, being the Panthers, we are the only team with two of those QBs out of that four - Weinke and Bryce. Disgusting.

He had a significant injury? Dude used to be super legit.

Look, I don't think Andy is a world beater, but since leaving Cincy he hasn't exactly been in ideal situations. Outside of Dallas, he came onto teams in the middle of transition to offer a steady hand and leadership. And coming here, transition isn't the only obstacle... we are a team with almost zero depth and almost 5 years or so of drafts that we have little to nothing to show for. Now add to that, half our projected starters are injured. Who tf can win with that?

My friend who is a lifelong Chicago native and Bears fan sent me a message saying "wtf?" This is what I texted back: "Bro, I'm at work, but I watched a few times where I could, but it's about what I expected... nothing says Panthers like making a struggling rookie QB that you essentially traded away look like the second coming of Tom Brady while the QB you traded for didn't even start because he's likely the worst starting QB with a min 16 games ever drafted in NFL history. All while the WR you traded away to get said shitty QB whoops your ass in the process too. I knew it was coming, man. And I honestly don't even care anymore. We have become what the Browns used to be and I don't see it turning around anytime soon. The 2025 QB class looks pretty ass after Shadeur, Ewers, and maybe Ward." I have ZERO hope for the future. Even if Morgan is a great GM, we have a long, long, long road ahead. I don't think there's any light at the end of the tunnel right now. Not with Tepper as owner. God, this is embarrassing.

Yes, David. That was Bryce's version of shining. I'm so tired of this organization from the owner to the fuging best writers. What a fuging tard.

That's because for all the respect I had for Smitty being a no punches held guy throughout his playing career, he has done a complete 180 since going into TV. He has literally been Tepper's mouthpiece since he got the gig with the team. It's why I don't really listen to poo he says about evaluations anymore bc it's all fluff being pushed from the top down. I really saw it once Rhule was fired and Smitty finally started all this after-the-fact poo talk about Rhule, but when Rhule was here, Smitty was singing his praises and toeing the company line.

I fell asleep when they got back to 32-38, iirc. Lol. I mean, I saw some NFL throws and I love the bounce back from adversity, but overall, he kind of falls in line with the majority of this QB class... there's just something missing. Nothing like a Cam or AR where they're physically superhuman and just have to refine, and no otherworldly accuracy/awareness like a Stroud. It feels like most of this upcoming class are really good, but nothing is "wow!" about them. I like Ward, and compared to guys like Beck, yeah, I take Ward all day... but I don't get crazy excited about the idea, snd I wouldn't bet it's a quick process. Still, amazing grit, heart, and an incredible comeback.

I was thinking he was just having a rough night even if I was unimpressed for most of the game, but then when he ran all the way to the eight sideline and then threw uo what was essentially a punt back to the far left, which I believe they ran back for a pick 6... bro, that's a fuging peewee level mistake.

So after hearing all the Cam Ward hype, I went and looked uo highlights last week and passed the eye test, big time. I thought, "we might have something." So I was intent in watching the game tonight to see what kind of impression he'd make... and ooowee mayne... I'm out.