Proudiddy

Trade them Bryce and two firsts.

And you just brought up what Bryce haters do, while ignoring his apologists love to throw three entire years out like it doesn’t count. When two and a half entire seasons you’ve thoroughly proven you are the 32nd of 32 starting QBs, a couple good games are the exception, not the rule. Even for this year, he’s had a couple good games and a whole lot of stinkers, which follows the rule he has set over his entire tenure.

Didn’t say it does, Scot. But as I pointed out earlier, most of the negativity in this thread is due to one of two reasons: 1) Guys that don’t want anyone competing with or taking the starting gig from their boy Bryce. or 2) Guys who dislike/hate Deion and Shedeur. Again, statistically, there are no grounds to pick Bryce as a starter over another QB over the last three seasons. And statistically, what Shedeur is doing as a rookie is impressive thus far, whether he was Deion’s son or not. So if it’s not statistics and the eye test, then why are people so fired up about it? The tells are there.

Statistically, by almost every possible metric measured, since he was drafted, he is the worst starter in the NFL over that stretch. It’s no debate. That’s facts. That’s numbers.

I mean, I certainly hope we can exploit it and it plays to our advantage, but this is the NFL, and a division rival. I still remember a few years back where the Saints lost all their active receivers going into our game. They elevated two or three guys to start from the practice squad and proceeded to whoop our ass with ease and those PS guys out up numbers. So, I like to see them banged up, but we definitely can’t mail it in.

I have no problem waiting to see on Shedeur. My problem is the blowback at any suggestion of anyone other than Bryce when he and his stans have had us waiting for almost 3 full years for some semblance of average QB play. Bryce deserves nothing. He has earned nothing with his play. Far better QBs and players in the history of the NFL have lost their opportunity over far, far less. All this coddling and protecting is ridiculous. I don’t know if Shedeur will be great. I am confident he will be, at minimum, solid for the entirety of his career, and being a rookie, I believe he could be much more based off what he is showing. But, at the end of the day, if Shedeur ends up washing out? Cool. Doesn’t hurt my feelings. I’m basing my opinion off of what I see and what the stats say. Does he have some flaws? Sure. But (almost) every QB does. What he is doing as a rookie is damn impressive. In a handful of games as a rookie, he has made plays that we didn’t see from Bryce for almost two full seasons. I look at his deep throws the last few weeks, and I even heard someone recently comment on it with my same exact thoughts - he is throwing guys open. And on the deep throws, he is letting them catch it in stride. Then I look at stuff like changing of the arm angle, adjusting velocity and angle, etc., The last TD he threw that was contested, he was under immediate pressure and he changed his arm slot and layered the ball into the receiver to give him a chance to make a play. And then he’s hit guys in stride 50 yards downfield. The receivers didn’t have to wait for it, didn’t have to slow up, the throw didn’t allow the defender back in the play, it didn’t carry the receiver off his line. We didn’t see these things from Bryce until, imo, the games this year, in year three. That run last season, he was not making the throws he’s making this season in his good games. The deep throws against the Rams, imo, were his best placed throws of his career on deep balls. And that’s not immediacy bias, i also feel that way because these games count, unlike the end of season stretch last year. So again, it’s taken him three years to make throws that guys like Dart, Shedeur, and Shough are making as rookies. And yet, a huge faction of our fanbase believe Bryce should be held in some sort of reverence for being the worst starting QB in the league over the last three seasons. It’s insane. and again, to be clear, I want Bryce to figure it out finally, if it’s possible for him to do so. Put together a storybook run and let’s win the whole thing… but, due to your resume, we’re still gonna bring in competition next season. Period.

10 years ago, the reactions to this thread would have at the least made me question myself and what I’m seeing in my evaluation versus what I’m feeling. But not now. I know where this mentality comes from and we’re seeing it unfold in real-time, everyday in society. Call someone else dumb while any and all statistics supports their argument, but if you just keep doubling down, you can make people forget about facts. It’s also why my replies to this despite 16 pages have been pretty sparse outside of one, and that post was mostly ignored because it called the BS out for what it is. I don’t take it personal, because I know for them, it is VERY personal. Not a person alive on this planet is going to tell me, nor convince me, that any other starter in the NFL isn’t more physically talented than Bryce. We have all read and seen the stats - 32nd out of 32 starters since being drafted. We have watched the games. Countless games where Bryce struggles to hit 100 yards until the 4th. Countless times he fumbles untouched, trips over his own feet, under throws or throws behind, or just throws straight to a defender who has been lurking in the same spot from the snap. But, there is this mysterious ancient metric that us simpletons have not gained access to, that makes him better than the stats and eye test combined. Kyler Murray is wildly physically gifted, but especially for his size. He has a laser arm, and he’s a quick, twitchy athlete. Baseball background, multi-sport star. And he’s statistically better than Bryce. In my observations and estimation, his only downside is I don’t think he has ever applied himself and he doesn’t prepare as he should. He relies on his talent alone, and I think that also carries over to questions about leadership. But, all of that considered, these guys don’t want him over Bryce. So again, I ask why? The same logic is applied to Shedeur. Hell, I would apply the same logic to Brissett. Jameis. Any fuging body with physical talent to throw a football. If you have the worst starter in the league, proven over almost three full years, what do you owe him? Hint: It’s not another year. One can deduce from that point that you could easily find a replacement that will give you better production, even from someone who isn’t a current starter. I knew society had gotten dumber, but damn… “don’t tell me what’s better! I want to keep fuging myself and nobody can stop me!”

I’ll be your huckleberry.

This is what Brycers do. Still. ”Yeah, I know he sucks and is statistically the worst starting QB in the NFL since he was drafted, but no one else would be an upgrade in my personal opinion, so we should keep starting him.”

But my reason for bringing that up isn’t just specifically because of Bryce. My point being, there are paid professionals who scout every day for a living. Guys whose entire job is to comb over hours and hours of game film and travel the country to watch players in-person… and even these guys hitch their wagons (and careers) to players that had no business being picked where they were - Bryce just happens to be a prime example. And as you mentioned, a lot of heads rolled for that decision. But it illustrates my point - just as this thread does. This may be the most poo reactions I’ve ever garnered for a post. Why? Because ego. Because people want to be right and like to tell people about it. People also don’t like to be wrong and be reminded they were. It’s why reactions to this hypothetical are so strong. The vast majority are poo’ing me or getting in their zingers as part of the cliquish mentality that comes with said ego-driven behavior - many are so emotionally anti-Deion that they so desperately want Shedeur to fail. They don’t want to give him credit when he plays well. And they certainly don’t want him coming here, whether he plays well or not because their hope is he’s a flash in the pan and ultimately flops. Then, there’s the faction of fans who are still clinging on to the hope of all hopes that Bryce has finally figured it out (AGAIN), and this time, there’s no looking back. So, then, they can tell everyone how they rode for him since college and kept believing when no one else did, even when he was struggling to throw for 125 yards in a game, or turning the ball over 3 times before halftime. So me presenting the idea of using mid-late draft capital to acquire a rookie QB, on a rookie contract, who just overcame tons of adversity to string together several quality starts and, most recently, put up some very impressive numbers is met with one-liners and insults. Why? Because they want to be right. They are emotional. Be it they want Bryce to succeed so they don’t want real competition in here, or they just want Shedeur to fail - it’s strictly emotional. Because again, statistically, they have no grounds to stand on. Which is why I asked if it isn’t statistical, then what is it? It’s ego. It’s emotion. Just like all those scouts bet the farm on Bryce and paid with their jobs for it. They staked their jobs on account of their egos that they were right. We’re on a message board, so obviously the stakes are non-existent, but people still want to be able to say “told you so.” I get it. But I don’t care. I’m not emotional about it. I loved Deion as a kid. I’m pulling for Shedeur, no doubt. But I’m also capable of removing sentiment and emotion and if Shedeur stunk, I’d wish him well in his future endeavors. Likewise, I did NOT want Bryce. But we drafted him. Thus, I removed my personal feelings about it in hopes that our team got it right… and although I was probably quicker to react when he failed (the “told you so” factor), I still hoped for the best. I still hope for the best - but again, at this juncture, we have seen enough to know that competition at the QB spot is needed this offseason regardless of how we, and Bryce, finish the year. And to further my point, even the discussions now taking place in this thread regarding Howell and Murray - again, if it’s not statistically-based, then what is it? We have gulfs and valleys between opinions on these guys, but statistically (and I would argue visually), they are superior to Bryce. Yet, we still have people arguing that Bryce is better or deserves the starting spot handed to him for 2026. It’s folly. It’s ego. It’s emotion. And I’m not directing that towards you, I’m saying we’re all susceptible to like what we like and dislike what we don’t. I just find it humorous to see such strong reactions to Shedeur when we have people still lobbying for an unmitigated path to the 2026 starting gig for Bryce after 2.5 years of proof he is the worst starter in the NFL. Regardless, again, I’m hoping he goes on a magical run and we win a Super Bowl this season lol. Even then - bring in the comp.

No copying… Great minds and all that, brother!

I said in a previous thread some time ago, if Brooks makes it through his rookie contract here, that alone is found money. That isn’t even speaking to the idea of him contributing. I don’t think that’s likely at all. All three of Chuba, Eico, and Etienne are legit, talented RBs. I honestly want to see Etienne given more opportunities because he has a special kind of elusiveness to him. So, unless they let Rico go for what is essentially a rookie RB who hasn’t played football in almost two entire years for what would be a blind guess on what he can do, I don’t see how Brooks sticks. Also, I’m no doctor obviously, so I’ll leave them to be the experts on that stuff - but reading how he took a strip of IT band from his leg to graft, and then used a strip of the patella tendon two different times in these surgeries - that makes me pretty uncomfortable. How will those other donor areas hold up now? Are they more susceptible to injury now following these surgeries? It just doesn’t logically seem like that’s a positive for him moving forward. And iirc, TD had cadaver ligaments used in his surgeries, so that seems like less damage to the rest of the body because you’re not taking anything from anywhere else.

Hurts looks like pure ass tonight.

Same on all counts. Thank you for your objective ability to watch football lol.

So, I like Shedeur, but as I’ve said in previous threads, in terms of the upcoming draft, Mendoza is the one guy I would lock in on.