45catfan

Samuel, Colbert and LaFell. Moose was our first and only 2nd round WR pick to do anything.

We should be banned from drafting WRs in the second round.

Thielen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rest of WRs.

Remember, the offense was going to be like night and day when Brown took over. I tried telling people that Brown HELPED design the plays and scheme game-to-game, but somehow people thought this offense was going to totally different just because Reich isn't calling the plays. The only way the offense is going to look different isn't changing the play caller, but changing play BOOKS.

That offense looking totally different.

Watch us do nothing. The worst team in the League and apparently completely satisfied with it. I mean, we keep signing dudes off the street, so there's that--roster building at it's finest.

I'm not sure why, but I kinda got a good feeling about this one.

For the urbanites. For the suburbs, this isn't a big issue. How walkable a city is ranks pretty low for people that choose to live in suburbia unless transplanting from up north.

Cam is also from Atlanta so it makes sense he would want to build his business back home. Reggie White retired in Charlotte and was not form here. Someone mentioned Randy Moss, also not from here. Many former Panthers stayed in the area, some more famous than others.

What's going to happen is the next 3 games is the easiest stretch the rest of the season and we might win one--possibly two of them. The sunshine committee will be out in full force to say "see,we told you so" only for the team to go right back into a tailspin when the schedule stiffens up again.

Oddly enough California is one of the top state people are leaving and NC is one of the most desired states for people to move to. Also, a lot of former football players retire in the Charlotte area. The Canes have a championship and are betting favorites this year to win it all. Most Nascar folks call NC home too. If you are talking strictly the Panthers and Hornets, then yes, these are not top destinations. Why? Neither are good. If they become winners, then players will want to come. The same with fans. Win games and they will buy tickets.

Remember, this is the game where to pre-snap penalties were absurd. The Seahawks have arguably one of the loudest venues in the League. A lot of these longer throws were because we were WAY behind the chains. Obviously the volume of throws is glaring, but if you look at where the some of these passes were thrown by Dalton, you can see he uses the entire field. Bryce had exactly one throw at the boundary beyond 10 yards. Dalton was 50% on his throws beyond 25 yards one of which was a TD. Bryce's attempts outside the numbers beyond 15+ yards is woeful 0-4 in that Miami passing chart. We took four shots, so it's not like they didn't dial up some longer plays at all. Inside the numbers in that 15-20 yard range he was 3-3. Teams see this and know they can leave guys on an island outside. They do not fear/think Bryce will go deep outside. Play press coverage, bring a safety down and bring the heat. This is the blueprint to keep Bryce frazzled. Our boundary WRs are obsolete. Bryce is not a scramble threat either. Teams have to guard Thielen out of the slot, a TE and the RB in the backfield. All things considered, a pretty easy task.

Yup, they got handled yesterday too. If they think a good edge rusher can get their defense off the field, they should pick up the phone. They have an additional 3rd rounder this draft too. A 1st and 3rd this year and a 2nd in 2025 (last part of the trade this year) that would work for me.

Ugh, listened to the entire thing only to get to the trade remarks at the very end, the only reason I clicked play in the first place. If there is ANY market for TMJ, D-Jax or Burns, then it should be entertained. Anyone thinking we are going to go on some miraculous run is delusional. At best we take 2 of the next 3 games and possibly another couple by season's end. Again, if 5 wins is the absolute best we can hope for at this point, then we should be in full sell mode. Get as much draft capital as possible and offload the heavy cap burden for the future. The staff tried to be piece together a veteran team around Bryce and failed. The new plan should be get young guys to grow along with Bryce. Yes, that means probably a long 2024 season too, but we tried the alternative and are sitting at 0-6. Get a young core of players that could make some noise in a couple of years while making strides next year. That I could live with.

I dug deeper because you engaged in the discussion, which is completely fine, that's what this board is for. However, the eyeball test confirms what one, two, three or more sets of data will bare based on actually watching the games. We can dig as deep as you want, but the point remains we are a dink and dunk offense, which is going to the be a high completion percentage, low air yards/yards per attempt based on scheme. Again the question being: is this purely scheme or does the staff not have full confidence in Bryce's ability to push the ball down field? I've addressed this in the past regarding the Seattle game with Dalton. The offense looked markedly different. Folks noted that Andy supposedly "asked" for those longer throws. If that's the case and Bryce, who is our franchise QB wanted some deep shots, does anyone honestly think the staff would say no to him?

Reid runs a WCO. They have the play makers to turn short passes to house calls, we don't. On the flip side, if they need Mahommes to push the ball down the field the Chiefs have no reservations in having Patrick letting it rip. Regardless of the names at 30-32, Bryce's air yards is still bottom 4 in the League of starting QBs. There is only one real question: is the staff holding Bryce back from taking shots based on scheme or are they shielding him from his weakness?

Everyone knows Joe is playing on a bum leg. I almost most put that in the post as a disclaimer, but I figured most people knew that Joe is basically playing on one good leg.

If the injuries to the guard position played out the same way, our run game would still suck with Foreman. Constant rotation of the interior OL is hurting us. That being said, we do need a between the tackles type of runner. Sanders is not it and Chubba is trying to become one after historically being a 'bounce to outside' type of back.

Remember, this the guy a lot of people here wanted as the HC. Although not much further along than us in personnel, Washington as a team has better pieces than we do.

This says it all, no need to dive in much deeper: yards/attempt. Only a 3rd string rookie playing due to injury has fewer than 5 yards. Corners playing off coverage usually give that amount of buffer.

Back in college when I was intrigued with such things I would have taken on the task. It's not hard, just time consuming. Now, I have no desire to do so. Maybe if @TheCasillas would like to take it on. I believe he's the one that enjoys going down these statistical rabbit holes. The average yards per attempt should be a metric too, which goes back to one of my points that someone got snarky about. That chart posted by the OP is vague and incomplete. Honestly, if a QB can't hit a open WR, then they aren't a good QB. PJ Walker topping the list seems about correct. Also, if this chart meant anything, really, Trubisky would be starting somewhere and Nick Mullins would be a hot prospect when he hits FA. As a comp, Check-down Teddy is right there in the conversation bringing my point full circle.

Tyson won his opening game. THIS is why you take flyers on QBs. I don't care if the starter gets butt hurt about competition. I will be highly disappointed with as deep of a QB class as there is next spring if we don't take a flyer on one of these dudes. What's the worst thing that could happen? Dude flames out. What's the best thing? We could have a 49ers situation where we have 3 dudes that could start and Dalton ain't sticking around forever.

Not too much difference, honestly. As mentioned, some motion and maybe a few misdirection plays. I highly doubt he calls plays for Bryce to suddenly sling it down field a lot. Remember, he helped game plan even though Frank called the plays. To think it's going to look somehow like a complete new offense is an overreaction.

Ahhhh, aren't you cute. The longer the route, the more pressure on the QB and likely throwing into bracketed coverage. The last I checked, the defense can't line up on the offense side of the ball, so bubble screens are pretty much an unchallenged easy pitch and catch. Also compared to most of those other QBs Bryce hasn't attempted nearly the passes, so it's going to look better. It's called a sample size and it's key to statistics. You may want to go look that up.

If someone offers a 1st and a non-washed veteran starter OR 1st and other picks (2nd or a combination no lower than 4ths) then I'd still pull the trigger. The hang up for me is the desired salary. If Burns wanted to stay for higher than average edge salary, but not elite, then I'd be okay with him remaining. Dude is looking for the bag and we have WAY too much to invest in the future of this team to tie up a poo ton of cap money in a non-QB player.