45catfan

There has been reports of data manipulation everywhere. Claims are some places are inflating their data while others under-reporting.

To an extent that's the reason I said increasing case numbers (as long as not exponential growth) is not necessarily a bad thing and the death rate doesn't go on the uptick. True, we will not reach heard immunity, but when the next wave hits, the impact will be lessened as we know how to care for the most vulnerable and a sizable portion of the population has the antibodies. I've seen a figure as high as 36% of those infected were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms. We have no idea how many folks actually have had it, knew about it and didn't seek medical treatment or were unaware they had it at all. We know lock down didn't stop the spread of the virus, so then it honestly can't be stopped by relative isolation. If isolation isn't the answer, then we need to get on with life cautiously. No need to tank livelihoods and business any further for some lesser risk that's not really quantifiable. Again, proceed with caution, but we have to proceed.

Testing for sure, but the problem is until a vaccine is found and widely distributed there will two classes of people, folks that have been exposed and those who will be. Call me odd, but the number of confirmed cases increasing is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as the case numbers doesn't start to jump exponentially and as long as the daily death rates steadily declines. We are much more likely to build up antibodies from one another than waiting for an approved vaccine to become widely available. At best we are talking about next spring for a vaccine for the masses. Precautions are still necessary because complete lack of them will cause new hot spots and an exponential jump in cases, but no matter how cautious we are, new cases are still going to happen. As long as it is managed correctly the virus can make it's way through the population at a reduced/acceptable risk. There are studies showing the virus is mutating to stay viable as more and more people have the antibodies. The elderly and those with compromised immune system folks need to be the most cautious. If anyone needs to heed the safety precautions 100% to the letter of the advisories, it would those folks.

Two ideas here. The first being that a large amount of press the "muh freedoms" folks are getting happen to be in states that are dragging their feet on re-opening. Michigan and NC being two that are getting a lot of press. Lock down at this point is not going to stop the spread anymore than it already has. Lock down was to slow the spread and ultimately the goal was to keep the health care system from being overwhelmed in the initial wave. Secondly, the restrictions largely were let up prior to a major holiday. Cabin fever along with festivities...yeah, people are going to temporarily go buck wild. I suspect it will calm down some now that Memorial Day weekend has past and life is starting to get back to some degree of normalcy.

My bad, I actually low-balled the figure...it's actually closer to 40%, not 33%. New York alone is almost 1/3. TOTAL 1,668,257 508 98,068 30 New York 367,637 1,890 29,138 150 New Jersey 155,092 1,746 11,144 125

No, responsible, tiered re-openings as we are doing. A big difference managing the re-opening of states than a municipality that was negligent at the onset of the pandemic.

New York and New Jersey alone count for nearly 1/3 of the total National deaths. Take that into account and the rest of the country is not nearly as bad off as the it would seem. NYC botched its response horrendously from the beginning and the optics in the National death count as a result looks a lot more ominous than had NYC handled their part better.

I'm not the problem. The problem is folks too scared to go on with their lives and trying to influence others to be like-minded and if not, shame them. Should we have precautions? Absolutely! The point has past to attempt to bubble wrap a nation the size of America. Follow the safety protocols set forth by the local, state and federal governments and get on with everyday life as normally as possible. For those who chose not to, that's your choice, but the rest of us whose lives have been adversely affected by this shutdown choose to move on with our lives and not wait for some unknown, arbitrary date in the future where it's "safe" to leave your house.

And this is why I left the wonderful metropolis that has become the modern Charlotte. Increased taxes, traffic and crime. What's not to love about that?

Heard immunity was the only way to realistically get past this. Social distancing by largely confining everyone to their home was never going to work...not to the extent the government wanted us to believe. All that did was postpone people without the antibodies to get infected at a later time. The main goal of social distancing was so the hospital system would not get overwhelmed when this virus first broke out in America. It never did, not even in NYC. Hunkering down until a vaccine or a cure was found was never realistic. That doesn't mean we still don't do our part about sanitation to at least somewhat slow the spread with some of these measures, but being mindful about somewhat limiting the spread and trying to isolate the entire country are two separate things. Protect the most vulnerable the best we can (elderly and pre-existing conditions) and let the rest of us get on with our lives. A vaccine could be a year away before it's tested, approved, manufactured and widely available. A vaccine, BTW, is an exposure to a disease so the immune system can build up antibodies. Many people now already have the antibodies through casual exposure. This is how human existence got through previous pandemics prior to medical vaccines. To that end even modern times, most pandemics have largely run their course before a vaccine is developed. So the vaccine helps with future outbreaks in the years to come, but does nothing for the current outbreak.

There is speculation the bad 'flu' bug that went around in December was the first wave of COVID-19. It was probably here a month earlier than we realize and the deadly 'second wave' everyone is dreading is actually what we are working our way though now. If this is like previous pandemics, the first and third waves are milder in terms or deaths. There's hope by next spring after enduring the 3rd wave that most of the populace has created the antibodies to fight of the worst effects of this virus. The key is getting the economy back open, exposing folks in the summer while the virus is at it's weakest, getting 'herd' antibodies build up before winter arrives.

Dude, I literally was about to post the same article! A vaccine is the best hope for people too afraid to leave their house. No cure for the common cold, but now we need a cure for this? The Hong Kong flu is still around by the way, it's influenza 'A'.

Still amazed at the passes some folks get on this board given 99% of the other posters said similar things, a mod would be all over it.

My point exactly! Thank you unwittingly doing so. Have fun. /out

Go ahead big dog. Woof!

It okay to point out flaws, because we aren't perfect...nothing/nobody is, but the passive part is insinuating living in other countries is so much better. It's a typical tactic for those with gripes in our country to cherry pick certain things from other countries to push an agenda.

I wasn't referring to you, but I guess you felt some kind of way about it.

Thanks man. I just love how the passive anti-American sh*t gets such an easy pass around here. So yeah, that was my contribution.

Please move there!

We are way more hygienic too. Europeans accuse us of Americans of being germaphobes. I had a really close friend in college that was a French foreign exchange student. Great guy, but showered maybe 1-2x a week and frequently smelled of BO, especially on hot days. He would tell me how crazy Americans were constantly freaking out about germs claiming Europeans were less sick from building up immunity because they weren't hand washing/showering all the time.

Sorry, not reading through 26 pages, but have you guys seen/heard where China is attempting to blame the US for this? Their leaders say a contingent of US officials were in Wuhan province-China is September and brought it with them. If you read between the lines, not accidentally, but as a direct act of bio-terrorism. Hey China, how about put some restrictions/regulations (ex: health codes) on your wet markets and this crap will be cut down dramatically.

Back Street Boys, get your facts straight! Seriously, it was Adam Sandler. Supposedly only postponed, but it wouldn't shock me if it's eventually cancelled .

Affects the elderly the most, especially in terms of death rate. Not to say young/young(ish) folks shouldn't be cautious, but recovery rates are very high in non-eldery adults.

Yeah, I had a concert the wife and I were going to next week cancelled. I was really looking forward to it.