45catfan

A couple more telling stats: He's manged 273 yards when ahead all season. This means two things, he can't muster enough offense to pull away from opponents, thus we get the "refs rigged it" nonsense all year. He plays no better when the playbook is wide open with a lead, actually worse. Also, Bryce needs a short field. As evidenced yesterday, we managed one score that the defense did not gift a possession in the shadow of the Bucs' end zone. This one is the most condemning of them all.

Here is what you are looking for. Dave goes on 4th down a lot most with manageable yards to go. I think defenses are caught in a defend the run first, don't get burned deep scenario. With a chunk of open field beyond the 8 or 9 man front, Bryce has feasted.

Other than build a SB caliber team around him and ask him to make a few plays per game while limiting turnovers. Acknowledge the limitations Bryce has and move on or fortify around him trudging forward. We have these two paths, which one will the Panthers' front office take?

I'm just relieved they don't have a shot at Mendoza. While they were lingering in the top 5 for a while, I was worried. Shough will come back down to Earth next year. Opposing teams will get an idea of how he plays his game and how the Saints use him. He's going to be good, but I don't think anything really special.

Hubbard in this grouping is wild.

I wasn't really seeing what made Hubbard special to give him a pretty sweet contract. I wasn't against re-signing him, but I was thinking more along the lines of a RB2 deal (because that's what he really is) instead of a RB1 contract. In short, we overpaid...per normal.

How about play well enough that one or two "bad" calls by the refs don't factor into the equation?

The idea the League cares about which turd floats in the the toilet bowl known as the NFCS is laughable. If they were going to rig any game, it would be the Steerlers/Ravens. Rogers and Lamar/Tomlin and Harbaugh. I'm not sure which story line the NFL would prefer, but at least that contest is rigging worthy.

Kurt Warner gets it. I guess Kurt hasn't been seeing the cherry picked stats here on the Huddle where Bryce is apparently an elite QB. Again, his horrible mechanics CAN'T be fixed. Why? Bryce is undersized and the bad mechanics results from him trying to compensate for the lack of height and arm strength. So unless the puts on 20+ pounds and grows about 4 inches, the idea that he's going to fix his mechanics is unrealistic Even if he could wave a magic wand and make that so, QBs at this stage in their careers rarely are successful in changing the throwing motion they have been using since youth league football.

If the Cowboys win, we can move as high as #13.

I'm with Dave. Backdoor into the playoffs, only to get embarrassed and have a much sh!ttier draft spot. No thanks. We dropped 5 draft spots today. A Saints win puts all that to rest.

Fug that, go Saints! Let the Bucs get embarrassed in the playoffs. I also can have my Sundays back starting next week. This entire division is @ss, so to say you have won the NFCs south is like saying you are the smartest moron. No NFCS team is making a run in the playoffs this go around, heck beyond the wildcard round, so it's delaying the inevitable by one week.

14 points, we blocked a FG and the defense only allowed one TD that was the opening drive, plus gave a short filed on a turnover. "Clutch" Young had 3-3/4s of the game to take the lead. He led one legit scoring drive all game, ONE. Yes, we got a TD on turnover with starting field position in the red zone. Say it was the rain, but there was some ducks out there and I'm not talking about the feathered kind. Anything to the sidelines looked like the ball had helium in it. Hopefully next year will be his last in a Panthers uniform. I wish him luck as a backup somewhere. Andy Dalton can attest, it's a pretty sweet gig.

Ole Miss' Chambliss is likely to seek a exemption for a 6th year. This is going to become the norm for QBs whose draft stock isn't where they want it to be going forward, to just stay in school. He's likely to make more money in NIL next year than his entire rookie contract if he gets drafted on day 3. He'll only enter the draft if he's denied another year of college ball.

Crazy that we are comparing an college undrafted FA, perennial backup, NFL Europe QB to the #1 overall pick! Just wow! Jake was on a "Fox ball" team that focused heavily on the run. Delhomme played before the rules hamstrung defenses, benefited offenses and before the passing game became as prolific as it is now while also doing it in few games per season. Truly baffling.

Yeah, yeah...I sang that sad song about 3 years ago and it fell on deaf ears. We ride with Bryce until the '27 draft and if we screw the pooch again by not getting our franchise QB in that draft, I may just swear off this eternally cursed franchise. Also, it's odd that the certain guys that lean into one or two stats lines to 'prove' Bryce is somehow a superior QB are not in here defending him on this one. It's crazy how they implore us that Bryce is the man, but our lying eyes just can't see it because we don't understand what we are watching.

NO way I'm pulling for the Falcons. If we lose to the Bucs, we don't deserve to be gifted playoff life support by, of all teams, the Atlanta Falcons.

Um, we play Saturday and the Falcons game is Sunday.

Fug that, I'm not rooting for the Falcons.

It was a team loss, because it's a team game. I even admitted so in the above post. That does not deflect or shield a player or players for their role in that loss. Horn's penalty and Hubbard's fumble were super costly. What was your intent on starting this thread with an All-22 pass play? Did you honestly think there would be no controversy around Bryce? Then go on to say if anyone disagrees they are 100% anti-Bryce. Really? I've stated over and over again my position on Bryce. At this point, he's not the pre-benching '24 Bryce, that guy is largely gone. However, his ceiling is game manager level for like 80% of his outings, that being middling...10% really good and 10% awful. That's not my idea of a franchise QB. The notion that we just have to maximize everything around him to nudge him above game manager level is not only unrealistic, but one sided...literally. The defense has taken a back seat as a priority on this team, yet we complain about it. How many die hard NFL fans can name anyone on our defense outside of Brown and Horn? Heck most fair weather Panthers fan couldn't either.

I'm not defending Goff, both picks were bad. Why won't you just admit on Bryce's pick he had a clean pocket, time and a wide open WR that he badly missed. It's okay man. Players can make bad plays. You have no problem pointing out the flaws in other players, but can't bring yourself to criticize Bryce. I get it, you have over 3 years of emotional equity build up in this guy. I admire the unrelenting loyalty. I've had players that I had stock in over the years and yes, it sucks ragging on 'your' guy. Bad games are going to happen, though.

Yes, mainly RG. Lewis was out some and Corbett/Mayes have alternated at center, which is what they competed for in camp so 1A, 1B; no huge downgrade there between the two. Our tackles have largely stayed healthy and that is you key to pass pro, while acknowledging all 5 positions are important. Again at this point in the year a lot of teams experience this, we are no exception. The Chargers started off the year losing their star lineman and it went downhill from there.

Yeah, I would have stayed away from Herbert as an example considering they REALLY DO have one of the most banged up OLs in the NFL. At least our OTs have been mostly healthy. It's been the guard positions, mainly RG.

Especially at the most important position on the team. I don't think anyone has said this is strictly a Bryce loss, it's not, it was collective flop. However, the amount of chest thumping these guys do after one of those rare Bryce solid games should give them pause to keep doing so or circle the wagons so feverishly as they do after a poor outing.

So confirmed, his deep INT was a prayer thrown up in double coverage because he was getting planted into the turf. Even though Goff faced relentless pressure causing fumbles and was sacked more, he still was able to push the ball down the field for nearly 200 yards.