45catfan

Spoken like playing with house money. Yes, absolutely there is a risk and NONE of these guys close to a sure thing. It would sad, but this board will be crying the blues if we move up, dude looks middling-to-bad and next year's QB class is loaded while we are forced to watch helplessly without a first rounder.

There absolutely is a risk and forfeiting 2024's first rounder (at minimum) is too much to ask. Moving up to #5 is much more palatable. Visit a trade chart and also the QB draft graveyard, then see if the risk of *no matter what* is reality or hyperbole. I mean we can do a Ricky Williams-type trade and move all the way up to #1. I mean, although a RB, dude was a can't miss prospect, right?

You have to hope Irsay gets a man-crush on Levis. Jumping ahead of Indy to get to #3 will be too rich for my taste. Pie-in-the-sky discount scenarios to jump all the way up from #9 is pure pipe dreaming. Indications are the Lions are going to stick with Goff, so we will just have to get ahead of the Raiders at #6.

Not too far off, but the bold is how I prefer it.

A bit of flattery there. I get Josh is likes Stroud, but sometimes when giving praise the comparisons get a bit lofty.

So you good with Brissett or Minshew?

Lol at AR/Levis actually not busting or moving all the way up for Young/Stroud for a reasonable trade like shopping the thrift aisle at Dollar General. That's truly funny!

Ok, we are just going to disagree on this. I ain't changing your mind and you certainly aren't changing mine. Again, the urgency of this fan base is shading the glasses of this QB class more and more rosy. The Burrow comparison did elicit a chuckle, I must confess.

I don't want Carr.

No I don't, but Young is at best somewhere between Tua and Murray and Stroud is a Fields clone. Is that something I'm willing to give up the farm for? No. Pull up our roster and tell me how a rookie QB, even if Stroud or Young (not happening) is making this team better? The pipe dream is Levis and AR not only starting day 1, but also panning out. Neither of those guys are plug/play and will absolutely bust if forced into action prematurely.

It is. Take last year's craptasic QB class as the comparison, sure, it looks fantastic. Stroud and Young are good and AR/Levis are major projects. None are great. Beyond those Hooker would have been a nice fall back play, but the ACL. Go beyond that and most of these guys won't even make a NFL roster after cut downs. People are talking themselves into this being a better QB class than it actually is because we NEED one. I'm willing to bet most of these people on here would not be hyping these guys nearly as hard if we had a solid QB and took a more pragmatic view of these QB prospects.

I hope they stay put then. I know the QB purgatory we've been in and I also understand moving up for a player you really like. It seems, at for the fan base, the first is necessitating the later. Let's just hope the the coaching staff doesn't feel that pressure. If they TRULY, 100% are in love with one of the QBs, then go get him. Moving up because the fans--even David Tepper, are being impatient is the wrong way to go.

You don't win a marathon in the first mile, this is going to take more than the 2023 season. No, not the 7-year Rhule, but 2-3 years. Unless Stroud or Young falls to #9 (not happening) I don't like drafting a QB this year. Too many holes to trade draft capital away and AR/Levis are long term projects at best (likely busts). Don't screw up our cap for a mid-tier, severely overpriced FA. Again, the practical route isn't very sexy, but it's likely the correct one to get this team going in the right direction.

I wonder if Tony Gonzalez wants to break into coaching? He's still in broadcasting, correct? What's Antonio Gates up to these days?

Figures the practical answer would get this response.

If these people--"draft a QB at all costs" looked at the past drafts, they would realize that it's more likely a failed experiment than successful one. Oh, but "look the 2020 draft!!!" there are outliers in statistics for a reason. Cue the "things have changed" or "You have to take a swing" crowd. No, you play the odds and right now we have a first year staff, very incomplete roster, weak QB draft and a couple of FA QBs that have played in the system that Reich uses. This is a very simple answer to me. Take off the QB blinders and see the big picture folks.

RE: poll--none of these. Brissett/Mishew then trade back, accumulate more picks and take the QB next draft.

Possibly, but if they have a QB sitting there when they pick, I don't think Mac Jones is going to stop them. Even if they trade for Jones, I doubt they are set with him being their QB of the future--rather a taking a swing and see what happens. Again, they have Stidham right now, they HAVE to do something. Jones would be an upgrade, but that's not saying much.

Fred Smoot was his favorite one, though.

Understanding sarcasm is an art. Our TE room is bad, but a job is a job especially if it's a promotion.

Perspective coaches look at the Panthers TE room and people wonder why that's the only positional group remaining with a vacancy.

Outside of a generational QB, they are ALL risks. If you follow the draft, usually it's the other way around--expectations are low for fringe QBs early on, one or two guys are hyped and then two, three or four more end up going in the first round (last year's crap class being an exception). There is no generational QB this draft, thus each of them have several questions. Beyond Stroud and Young, Levis and Richardson are more bust than boom prospects.

It usually who catches fire and there are several that could. The problem with Levis is he took a step backwards. Injuries happen, but he lost some weapons this past season. Williams and Maye are the obvious ones, but Pennix, Ward, McCall, Leary, Reed, Ewers, Daniels, Nix, Travis, Van Dyke, Jefferson, Hartman, Ulagalelei, Armstrong, Jurkovec, Rogers, Gabriel, Rising, Mordicai, Rattler and so on and so on and so on. That's not even considering the first year starters taking over guys getting drafted this year, that could come out after one season. It's deep and talented. I'd take nearly any of those guys NOW over Mckee in this draft and he's generally considered QB5/6. This draft was always light at the top, but several guys went back to school and gutted the middle rounds prospects. Most of those guys are out of eligibility after this season; they have to come out. If any of the transfers light it up with their new schools, their draft stock will skyrocket. It's hard to say now how may 1st rounders will be projected, but I would venture it could be as high as 6 or 7. Patience grasshopper.

Tells me all I need to know right there.

Moving up to the top 10 is not as pricey as moving up to the top 3.