45catfan

Yes and better to take our lumps this year and not mess with it. We are in good shape beyond 2023, so let's not get cute and try to be the Saints. It's actually not that hard. Extend Burns, Brown and Luvu. Cut Elflein, Wilson, Haynes (or extend Marquis). That frees up a ton of cap room. At one point a month or so ago I had approximate amount. We can get under the cap fairly easily, but won't have much room to go shopping in FA.

So that leaves the OC then the TE,WR, DL and DB coaches remaining. Not too worried about assistants and quality types.

Thomas would have to be a June 1 designation. It's ugly if not. Here's his June 1 numbers.

Kelce lead the Chiefs in catches last night, Goedert was tied for second for the Eagles. We need to draft a TE and probably go after a decent FA, not a pricey one though like Schultz and Gesiki. Thomas is a lost cause and Tremble is more of H-back than a true TE. Time for an upgrade.

*It was a draft day trade for Eli, but it was his brother Peyton. 2006 SB, drafted #1 overall by the Colts and in 1998. My point, if having the #1 pick for a QB hit more often than not, I wouldn't be opposed to moving all the way up. Considering the ramifications of the move up and spotty prospects of it actually panning out, it's a hard pass for me.

Desperation makes people do and say weird things. The QB desperation here has hit an all-time high. I read a post from someone earlier saying they didn't care WHAT the cost was as long as we drafted a QB this year.

The bold were acts that were legendary. See how they stacked up from year-to-year? Then it went to more recent artists to appeal to the youngest portion of the fan base in the NFL. I guess they figured the NFL base was entrenched, they need to reel in a younger crowd with much more recent artists.

The portal is a big factor now, agreed, but a lot of those guys from this year are out of eligibliy after this season. It's the underclassmen that are the wildcards. I'm not sure that Williams has anything more to prove. Injury would be his only reason for staying. I could see Maye returning, but the next tier or two is deep and many can't stay in college any longer.

Right on cue, I mean this one did take about two hours after my post, lol!

If all things were static and the same from year-to-year, I would agree. However, that's not the case. Again, after weak/thin QB classes in consecutive years, the QB pool is deep and talented for 2024. Maybe we won't even have to move up far, if any spots at all. Crazy, I know.

Why exactly? (I know why).

Almost that same order, but move Hurts above Tua and Young above Stroud.

Trivia question: Who was the last #1 draft pick QB to win a Super Bowl with their original draft team? (Name, SB year and draft year).

As a UFA, I'd take a shot on Jackson, but that's not the case. Definitely not mortgaging the future on him in draft capital and cap space.

A lot of those key QBs that were supposed to be the meat of this draft and opted to stay/transfer will be out of eligibility, plus add in all the guys that will be eligible next year too. Now injuries, down seasons personally/team-wise will cause some of the crop to stay in school, but the numbers will be much better than this coming draft class. Coming off a super-weak and thin QB drafts back-to-back is setting up a bumper crop in 2024.

No matter win lose lose, Philly fans are assured to tear their own city up. Class acts and the very reason I was pulling for KC last night. The Philly fan base (as a whole) are classless.

Yup, and to the dismay of many, I'm will to wait for a loaded 2024 QB class. Where this class was supposed to be deep, albeit light at the top of the board--next year's class is both deep and top heavy.

I don't think anyone would argue that you need a special QB to win the Super Bowl, it's just a matter of how that QB is found/acquired and developed. There's where the debate starts. Remember, Hurts was widely regarded as system QB with accuracy issues coming out of college. Hurts was also a 2nd round pick as a result. Mahommes came from Texas Tech where the QBs historically put up huge numbers in a pass happy offense, but were major flops in the NFL. Saying either one of these guys would be where they are today is a major reach because both had QBs drafted before them and doubts about their game. Point being, drafting a QB is a crap shoot and draft position isn't necessarily an indicator of how that player's career will an out. I mean Trubisky is a backup that got benched for a rookie this year and Jordan Love still can't sniff the field.

Rumor is he's wanting his contract fully guaranteed like Deshaun Watson. That, more than anything, is the sticking point--not the overall value.

Jackson's production has only gotten worse as the League has figured out how to play him. Not only that, as mentioned at length, he can't stay healthy. One reason why he's wanting a fully guaranteed contract. He's not stupid, but he's also tipping his hand. Lamar knows his style of play has a shelf life and it's likely to expire before he, or the team, would like it to.

Really? You must not spend much time on the board anymore. I mean, the Huddle will be calling for Tepper's, Fitterer and Reich's collective heads if we don't move up for a QB this draft as we sit at #9. Entire threads have been dedicated to moving up for a QB because it's a MUST. In theory I agree there's not much of a difference in the top 10 unless there's a generational QB at the top of the board. This draft there is not. That is not stopping this forum from demanding a trade up though.

Great coaching is key. Both staffs called an excellent game on offense. Reid's clock management at the end of the game was flawless. I truly believe Philly wins if given enough time to march down the field. Andy didn't give them the opportunity. Remember, Mahommes and Hurts were picks #10 and #53 in their respective classes. You don't need the #1 overall pick, just a really good QB prospect, a great QB developer and a solid team around him.

How much longer are we (the Panthers) going to pretend that TE isn't a skill position and just another blocker?

Pulling for KC. I can't pull for Philly after I head/read the horror stories of how Panthers fans were treated during the 2003 NFC Championship game.

Sam's main problem is purely mental. He's got the physical tools. No, he's not the fastest QB--fast enough and not the strongest arm, but plenty strong. His problems are recognizing schemed coverage and letting bad plays go. Usually they are intertwined meaning he got fooled by a coverage, throws a pick and the rest of his day heads straight downhill. If McCown can coach him up to see clues in different coverage and build him up to where a mistake doesn't ruin his day, then Sam would be a really good #2 or bridge QB. That said, if he is on this roster next year, I hope the sole intent is to be that bridge QB/#2. In the long term, we do need an upgrade over a serviceable QB.