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Locked On Panthers Trade Deadline Primer with Mike Kaye
45catfan replied to jayboogieman's topic in Carolina Panthers
Ugh, listened to the entire thing only to get to the trade remarks at the very end, the only reason I clicked play in the first place. If there is ANY market for TMJ, D-Jax or Burns, then it should be entertained. Anyone thinking we are going to go on some miraculous run is delusional. At best we take 2 of the next 3 games and possibly another couple by season's end. Again, if 5 wins is the absolute best we can hope for at this point, then we should be in full sell mode. Get as much draft capital as possible and offload the heavy cap burden for the future. The staff tried to be piece together a veteran team around Bryce and failed. The new plan should be get young guys to grow along with Bryce. Yes, that means probably a long 2024 season too, but we tried the alternative and are sitting at 0-6. Get a young core of players that could make some noise in a couple of years while making strides next year. That I could live with. -
I dug deeper because you engaged in the discussion, which is completely fine, that's what this board is for. However, the eyeball test confirms what one, two, three or more sets of data will bare based on actually watching the games. We can dig as deep as you want, but the point remains we are a dink and dunk offense, which is going to the be a high completion percentage, low air yards/yards per attempt based on scheme. Again the question being: is this purely scheme or does the staff not have full confidence in Bryce's ability to push the ball down field? I've addressed this in the past regarding the Seattle game with Dalton. The offense looked markedly different. Folks noted that Andy supposedly "asked" for those longer throws. If that's the case and Bryce, who is our franchise QB wanted some deep shots, does anyone honestly think the staff would say no to him?
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Reid runs a WCO. They have the play makers to turn short passes to house calls, we don't. On the flip side, if they need Mahommes to push the ball down the field the Chiefs have no reservations in having Patrick letting it rip. Regardless of the names at 30-32, Bryce's air yards is still bottom 4 in the League of starting QBs. There is only one real question: is the staff holding Bryce back from taking shots based on scheme or are they shielding him from his weakness?
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If the injuries to the guard position played out the same way, our run game would still suck with Foreman. Constant rotation of the interior OL is hurting us. That being said, we do need a between the tackles type of runner. Sanders is not it and Chubba is trying to become one after historically being a 'bounce to outside' type of back.
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Week 7 Other NFL Games thread
45catfan replied to Move the Panthers to Raleigh's topic in Carolina Panthers
Remember, this the guy a lot of people here wanted as the HC. Although not much further along than us in personnel, Washington as a team has better pieces than we do. -
Back in college when I was intrigued with such things I would have taken on the task. It's not hard, just time consuming. Now, I have no desire to do so. Maybe if @TheCasillas would like to take it on. I believe he's the one that enjoys going down these statistical rabbit holes. The average yards per attempt should be a metric too, which goes back to one of my points that someone got snarky about. That chart posted by the OP is vague and incomplete. Honestly, if a QB can't hit a open WR, then they aren't a good QB. PJ Walker topping the list seems about correct. Also, if this chart meant anything, really, Trubisky would be starting somewhere and Nick Mullins would be a hot prospect when he hits FA. As a comp, Check-down Teddy is right there in the conversation bringing my point full circle.
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Tyson won his opening game. THIS is why you take flyers on QBs. I don't care if the starter gets butt hurt about competition. I will be highly disappointed with as deep of a QB class as there is next spring if we don't take a flyer on one of these dudes. What's the worst thing that could happen? Dude flames out. What's the best thing? We could have a 49ers situation where we have 3 dudes that could start and Dalton ain't sticking around forever.
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Not too much difference, honestly. As mentioned, some motion and maybe a few misdirection plays. I highly doubt he calls plays for Bryce to suddenly sling it down field a lot. Remember, he helped game plan even though Frank called the plays. To think it's going to look somehow like a complete new offense is an overreaction.
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Ahhhh, aren't you cute. The longer the route, the more pressure on the QB and likely throwing into bracketed coverage. The last I checked, the defense can't line up on the offense side of the ball, so bubble screens are pretty much an unchallenged easy pitch and catch. Also compared to most of those other QBs Bryce hasn't attempted nearly the passes, so it's going to look better. It's called a sample size and it's key to statistics. You may want to go look that up.
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I was pointing out the obvious because sometimes even those things that seem so simple on the surface gets missed. Someone felt the need to post the chart and seemed like it needed discussion even though the rationality behind it seemed pretty straight forward in Bryce's case. FYI, being snarky doesn't win you any cool points. If anything it puts a bullseye on you, especially newbies.
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Why is Adam Thielen able to get open?
45catfan replied to Ricky Prickles's topic in Carolina Panthers
Adam is shifty,quicker than fast and has veteran savvy with great hands. He works the middle of the field that's Bryce sweet spot. It's not all that difficult to figure out really. -
Nope, that ship has sailed. I was PLEADING that we do that prior to the Vikings game when Byrce was coming off a bum ankle. Perfect time for a mini-benching with excuse built in. Nah, we are going to straight 'David Carr' him (yes, I used a person as a verb) in crap-tacular fashion. Giving Bryce one extra JAG WR isn't going to move the needle one iota. That's my point that is lost on some folks, trading for a mediocre dude, while better than Mingo and TMJ, isn't going to accomplish much except further deplete our limited draft capital and add to unnecessarily to our cap overhead while giving the staff that one extra stupid reason to keep Bryce out there.
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Who is giving up a WR worth their salt right now? The trade deadline is just over a week away. Heck, we haven't even thrown in the towel at 0-6 and teams that theoretically still have a chance--even as long shots are going to trade their top WR? Com'on man, really? I get having "ideas", but then there's also reality.
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Yes, Penix has PLENTY experience. As it's being shown, even savant wonder-kids have problems in the NFL because they don't have enough snaps before facing grown arse men. They may wow people on a white board, but when it comes to live fire, the only thing to aid that is more experience.
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We should be purely sellers at this point. The season is toast. If the staff is committed to playing Bryce even to a hypothetical 0-17 record, a couple of meaningless victories, at best, while acquiring more long-term debt is doubling down on dumb. The front office needs to own the bad season and stop trying to stick bubble gum on leaky pipes. Screwing up the future trying to save face by trading FOR players is bewildering. You make those trades when you are in the hunt for the postseason. The only hunt we are in is trying to find the light switch to see how to get out of the basement.
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Incomplete sample size for Bryce and dinking/dunking helps out that tremendously. We've seen the pass charts game by game, his accuracy gets worse the further away from the LOS he gets. I guess the short passes people were b*tchng about actually worked in Bryce's favor according to this obscure metric.
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Luck went back because we had the #1 pick. Smart move. Yes some underclassmen man go back but, MANY of these guys are near or at the end of their eligiblity. Even if the top of the class thins out due to returning students, the amount of high value picks at QB is ridiculous. I was NOT in favor of moving up for the QB this draft, none of them. As it stands now, only one of the 3 looks to have been worth it and he's not the one we took.
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Purdy was a true Senior. I could care less about transfers. If that were the case and that was a 'ding', Cam Newton would have been the poster child for failure. My point was and is that 24 or 25 year old QBs being viewed as old is moronic. I see it as being more experienced and each situation is nuanced and can't be lumped all into one category, but a QB with 4+ years of high quality starting experience at one school or multiple ones is better than some wonder-child 21 year old that likely was a product of a flashy system or successful program.
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Older dudes like Brock Purdy? The older QB argument is completely bogus. I used to buy into it too. As long as the added years weren't due to major injuries, I'm fine drafting and 24 or 25 year-old QB. I also bought into the the young phenom fallacy too. QBs coming out early have struggled, the earlier they leave college, the more they struggle. This is a REALLY seasoned QB class. QBs probably have the longest shelf life of any position in football outside of special teams types. So what if they are a couple of years older? If they can play well into their mid-30's, those 'extra' years of college are actually beneficial. I've come to realize that this game is too big for a 22-23 year old on the biggest stage at arguably the hardest position to play in all of sports. Penix will be a solid NFL QB. Nix, I'm not so sure, but I'd put him above mayo&coffee boy this year. I haven't dug into much yet. I usually start around Thanksgiving. Just basing my early thoughts off of last draft's digging, but that being said, this seems to be the class to get a QB.