45catfan

Tepper and it's not even close. We struggled to some extent, but there has been nothing but straight misery since he took over. Without Tepper, Matt Rhule would have NEVER been our coach. Without Rhule the GM (Fitts or other) would not have been hamstrung for 3 years. That said, you have a college guy trying to build a NFL roster. After that disaster, you have a GM on the hot seat making rash decisions trying to save his own neck. Then you have a #1 overall draft pick at QB, ready or not--NOT--the coaching staff is forced to play because to don't bench the top draft pick. Now the new coach is quickly becoming the scapegoat because the rookie in all his hype is playing, well, like a rookie. Fug, we're the Jets south.

Yup, but several subsequent events and bad decisions derailed that really quick.

The best thing we could have done, and what I was a HUGE proponent of was getting the bridge QB a la Bridgewater and do it the right way this time. We got Dalton, so the opportunity was there. With a brand new staff and a fan base hungry for some success, this was the way to go. Get some weapons on offense and draft the rookie in 2024. Chance are we would have been a middling team and could have still got a QB without trading to #1 or trading up at all because the QB draft is so deep. Not having the #1 overall would have taken away the urgency to play the rookie right away. It's not uncommon for mid-first round QBs not to start their first season or sit at least a portion of the season. If you know how much I enjoy the draft and see how absent I was in the draft forum after the trade with the Bears...it would make complete sense.

Fitts couldn't hold his water one more draft and it will likely be his downfall. I get the heat he was feeling, especially from Tepper, but man this draft will probably be the nail in his coffin as the Panthers GM

There is no salvaging this season. If the staff is committed to Young even if it means 0-17, get rid of Burns IF the price is right. This rebuild needs more ammunition and cache is nearly empty. If we can get two first, then go for it. At minimum I'd take a first and either a day 2 pick or a healthy "plug and play" offensive weapon with proven production.

You have to hit Ian in the facemask and hope it gets wedged between the bars for a completion. Bryce almost did it.

What you won't know and impossible to know is the outcome of the play he chose to change. The assumption is option 1 is a failed play because he opted for the second. Chances are for every play that he changes fails, the first may have had success--and vice versa. The only way to know is take away that option. All I know is our offense is stagnant as swap water with him and had we not seen what it looked like with Dalton at the helm--actually resembling a NFL offense--then I could get behind the antiquated system and geriatric play caller that most of the Huddle is claiming. Unfortunately for Young, that twisted ankle gave us a glimpse of what this offense could look with a veteran behind center.

It's not new, but I think we are given him too much to think about. I get the kid is smart, but give him one play and let him execute it. If opting for the second play was providing any meaningful success, then this would be a moot point. Constantly changing the play AND it still sucking, well that's a tough pill to swallow.

To my "every year" hecklers...this is the position, NOT QB, that I have been wanting to draft every year since 2017. When Olsen first broke his foot, I was wanting a to groom his eventual replacement...even if he did come back healthy. SIX drafts later the best we have done is Ian Thomas and I hated the pick even then. All we have done is coddle the dude when he's obviously a bust. Heck, he even got a nice new contract based on minimal production. Oh well, It couldn't possibly take as long as we did to draft a LT...or could it?

Tremble makes a great clear out/decoy as long as he doesn't actually have to catch the ball.

Kill, kill, kill. Actually, too much freedom. The rookie needs to run the play called and not audible to another play most of the time. If it worked, then great, but it hasn't.

This is what is so depressing; the last dude taken in the draft as a flyer pick. That's right, only ONE incomplete pass ALL game.

So Ian wasn't supposed to chip the end? I was screaming at Thomas on that play. How can you have pass rusher lined up across from you and allow him to get a free release?

He can't gain height, but he can put on mass and get stronger. That strip-sack/fumble today was weak. The defender barely whacked him on the arm and the ball popped out. Dude needs a whey powder infused IV. I'd like to see Bryce get up to about 215 pounds.

At least for now. I think it would be worth while to sit Bryce the next couple of games and let's give it another go in week 8 after the bye.

The owner will not fire himself though.

Rhule was smart enough not to start a rookie QB, but being a terrible talent evaluator, couldn't find a quality FA QB either.

One of the last plays at the end of the game, a TE was running a seam route on the left hash and Young didn't sling it. Many more instances, but that one being at the end of the game sticks out in my memory the most.

That's bottom of the barrel stuff right there. I agree on Navarro, but he wasn't as rich as Tepper. The deepest pockets will always win out. Just like the Walton Family got the Broncos and Tepper's hedge fund ilk got the Washington team. It's not about what's best for the organization, but much deeper can the pockets get in the NFL.

I watch it on live TV, not on my computer. No I don't have the timestamps.

So Bryce is asking for all these throws behind the LOS? It's one thing to ask for a deep shot or two, but even discounting the 30 yard passes from Dalton, the pass charts look a lot different. You have to ask yourself why? Same staff, same play caller, same playbook, just a different QB. Let's not overlook the obvious.

I saw several routes today in that range and Bryce didn't throw the ball.

Hmmm, I guess there was a special playbook the quickly cooked up last week for Dalton.