45catfan

Propriety work, man. Also, nothing has been approved yet. The best I know a couple of candidates have hit phase 3 of trials. So we share vaccines that have not been proven effective yet? If and when they get FDA approval, we will share it. Chinese hackers charged stealing coronavirus research

Do you think if they found a successful vaccine based from data they stole, they would actual share it? This is the same county that hoarded PPE in the early days of the pandemic. Good global neighbors, right?

When their spies are covertly hacking into data bases, that is different than openly sharing ideas. Why is that hard to understand? We share some military intel with other counties, so therefore it's okay for their spy agencies to hack into the DODs database?

We are, but that doesn't stop the CCP from covertly trying to steal and possibly improve upon research already done by America and other countries. Nothing new, most of their country's "success" is from theft. Global leaders in piracy of intellectual property. I mean, they unleashed this virus upon the world and should have a few months head start on an experimental vaccine of their own.

Now the CCP is trying to steal developmental vaccines from America. Unreal.

I'm willing to admit I don't think a central government will always have the correct answer, so giving one authority power over all situations like in a pandemic is just a dicey as leaving it up to local governments. If America was any other system, like other systems that favors a central government, then yes, people could squarely lay blame on the head of that government for any decisions they make.

"Federalism is a compromise meant to eliminate the disadvantages of both systems. In a federal system, power is shared by the national and state governments. The Constitution designates certain powers to be the domain of a central government, and others are specifically reserved to the state governments."-Federalism

If nothing else, you give me a good chuckle man. Thanks for the laugh.

Your death rate is 4.5% in Denmark and the US is 3.7%, FYI. Also, the population of Denmark is the size of just one of our states, Colorado (5.8 million). So yes, controlling the situation is your country would be much more manageable than a country of 330 million. Unlike Europe, the COVID-19 response in America is handled at the local levels with recommendations from the Federal government. So when you see the news about this being all Trump's fault, please understand that is was honestly handled at the state and local levels. Like now how Governor Cuomo of New York and NYC's mayor De Blasio are now heroes in the media because of the improving COVID-19 statistics, they still have the highest death rate in all of America. At the time, both of these guys were blaming the Federal government for the catastrophe in their state, but now, they take all the credit since things are improving.

Lol! I sent you the link straight to the Federal Election Commission's website which was drilled down to the CDC's contributions. That is fake news? You are laughable.

Yep, and you look back at what you think should have been done differently during this pandemic. Just a more current case of whataboutism, that's all. I'm sure your 20/20 hind site going back to February is ironclad as what should have been done differently. Please tell me how could we staved off this pandemic? Locking down the entire county indefinitely and wearing masks 24/7 isn't realistic, so please enlighten me, how do we get rid of this in a real world scenario?

You want receipts, here you go. Actblue, as you may well know, is a pass-through entity for the DNC. CDC Political Contributions

Folks in government bureaucracies often line the DNCs pockets. Small and medium businesses lines the RNCs . This is very, very common knowledge. I'm open to read/hear other views, but when more and more 'mistakes' are being uncovered at the foremost authority in the field of infectious disease in the world, something starts to stink. Not just there, but at the state and local levels too.

I said many, many pages ago, minds were made up on this. There is no convincing to do.

Those numbers would be slashed if coronavirus had to be the primary cause of death. As long as it can be said ...no matter how far of a stretch it being a factor in a persons death, it's going to remain high. But sure lets continue to pad those numbers when people in hospice care test positive and die.

As it turned out in hind site. So what steps were taken to mitigate H1N1 when the virus first broke out and being studied? Answer, none. Pure luck it wasn't highly lethal as Biden's former Chief of Staff later admitted in an interview (Ron Klain). I'm not suggesting we stop tracking COVID-19, but what I am suggesting is the data is being hypermonitored, as you would, say for political ends and manipulated to a degree. Regarding ICUs--ICU units stay mostly occupied a great deal of the time: "Over the three years studied, total ICU occupancy ranged from 57.4% to 82.1% ..." from a study released in 2014. Here So it's not a stretch for an ICU to go from 82% to 100% quickly. Oh and only botched surgeries thing is a joke. My father-in-law had back surgery, everything went well and he recovered his first couple of days in ICU before getting his own room. Long, invasive surgeries that have a fairly lengthy recovery often have stint in ICU directly following the surgery. The CDC isn't political? How about 8,000+ donations to the DNC since 2015. Trump got only THREE donations in 2016 for his campaign from people at the CDC. A little bit skewed there I would say. Please continue.

Can this administration stop tracking the pandemic like the most recent one? No, why not?

You win the cookie! See, only a gullible person would dismiss one of many, many instances where the stats have been skewed. If this were the only case...sure, dismiss it as an one-off. It's not...not even close, and increasingly these "errors" are being uncovered. Riddle me this: Who is this White House official quoted regarding the pandemic--"...A pure fortuity this wasn't the greatest mass casualty event in American History?"

Elective surgeries are allowed now. But sure, 119% of ICU beds are COVID-19 patients. Granted certain counties may be stretched like Miami-Dade, but state-wide? Nah, not even close. Twist a narrative into a pretzel. It's fun!!!

A large percent of deaths nationwide were/are in elderly care facilities. Many of those folks had underlying issues and for those that did/will recover will struggle with the damage from COVID-19 in some fashion, no doubt. Where this thing got out of control is when it could listed coronavirus as a "factor" in a person's death. Primary reason, sure...I totally understand it. A potential factor? Nah, that can be twisted any imaginable way no matter how far stretched and it has. Numerous errors in case reporting has happened too leading to the padding of numbers.

Obvious. I mean now Covid-19 causes fatal accidents on highways!

Politics is driving this whole thing, period. Just our rotten luck a pandemic broke out in a presidential election year.

From a moderator. Does Igo condone this?

Strange...not sure what I was talking about, but then again knew exactly what I was talking about. A vaccine isn't around the corner as much as the media keeps hyping one. The reason is very obvious. Even so, it will likely be a seasonal vaccine and not a cure, likely with spotty effectiveness. This will continue to make its round every year for a while. Therapeutics is the best way to tackle this. We can't even eradicate the common cold, but a cure for a novel viral disease is just over the horizon!!! I'm not buying it. So what, we lock down until more studies are done on the linger effects? What then? Wait for more studies to be done based off those findings for some consensus in the scientific community? Thanks for somewhat acknowledging my post, however, even though you skirted around it. Yes, deaths have dipped below pandemic levels in America, at least for the time being.

Adding one caveat...or completely ignored altogether.