45catfan

This is why until a quicker, cheaper and widely available antibody test becomes available, we won't have any clue to how many people have had this. Even then it will only be an educated guess. Still only 2.2 million people nationwide have tested positive. Yes, I said ONLY because that's not how many people who have contracted this disease. It's honestly some figure with a multiplier higher than that. The 13 of the 16 that were asymptomatic is right in line with the high end of the conclusions of studies conducted I've seen highlighted in a couple articles being as high as 80%. I'm assuming since we are talking about construction workers, these people are younger and fairly healthy men. So that is not surprising at all.

Exactly and why it looked so grim early on. That didn't keep the brainless media from running with the narrative though. Most realistic people acknowledge this virus spreads easily and is very contagious. However, the way the media sensationalized the early death rate, willingly or ignorantly, infuriated me. It was very obvious the disease was taking the toll on the weakest of the population (elderly and/or compromised immune systems) and those were basically the only ones tested initially. So an elderly person comes into the hospital displaying symptoms, gets tested and then later dies...right there is 1:1 ratio. Until testing began in earnest besides people being admitted to hospitals and folks in nursing homes, the death rates were always going to be high.

The coast is where a lot of this is coming from now. People are vacationing now that grade school is out.

Italian waste water samples confirm COVID-19 in Italy mid-December 2019. The first confirmed case wasn't until 2 months later in mid-February. Our first confirmed case in America was a month earlier than the Italians so in theory this could have been stateside sometime in November. So who is still buying China's BS timeline on when they knew about this? https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-virus-italy-december.html

The death rate in SC keeps trending down and I suspect as much nation wide. This based on how they scared the absolute POO out of everyone in the beginning by dividing deaths by confirmed cases. When testing was extremely scarce at the outset and the death rate calculation was as high as 6% in some places (looking at you NYC) and the media ran with that narrative. I kept saying as testing increased the death rate would slowly drop and it has. In SC it is now 2.8% from about 5% early on (still too high based off the faultiness of the method) and *knock on wood* if the daily casualties don't start to consistently trend worse, drops a tenth of a percent about every other day now since testing has been in high gear. Granted, this virus is still not to taken lightly, but it is not the near death sentence that the media made it out to be in March. I suspect this viruses true mortality rate is no higher than 1% and probably a little lower.

Could be...one of SC's "hot spot" counties now has been one of the lowest number of cases in the state thus far, therefore only a handful of new cases made the rate jump significantly. That county has 95 cases and 0 deaths.

I am still curious to know how many people actually had/have this? It's hard for me to believe that not even 1% of Americans have contracted this. With even a conservative estimate of 40% of people that had this being asymptomatic, 2 million cases seems very low.

Good one! I got a good chuckle from that.

The last I'm saying on this and moving on. I have said she could be a fake, but I don't automatically dismiss someone just because of a belief they hold. For the record, I'm not anti-vaxx. I have had many over my lifetime. However, it would be like you blowing the whistle on something and people find out you believe....I don't know, say in aliens. Oh, this dude thinks UFOs are real, so he's lying. Final point, whistle blowing isn't easy, depending on the magnitude, it can change or even ruin a person's and their families life. It's to be taken very serious knowing the potential fallout, immunity from whistle blower laws or not.

It's a treatment to help those having a really hard time breathing prior to going the ventilator route. Obviously once on a vent, things get bleak.

Nah, just not a millennial whose parents told them everything they spout is the truth and have a hard time processing anything that runs contrary to their thoughts.

LOl, she has undercover video with audio and he posted a quick dismissive opinion, so yeah...they are completely on par with one another.

a) That's all you got? She wants to be famous. Alright then. b) Investigative journalism is dead? Depends if a score needs to be settled...we all know this. OBJECTIVE investigative journalism is dead, that much I will agree with. c) So then, when there is investigative journalism done and it doesn't jive with your "view" it's automatically discredited. Got it.

Averaging figures, thus the decimal in deaths. Can't have a .4 of a death for example. Trend lines typically work on gradual curves. That's the reason I prefer bar graphs. We have been averaging 8-9 daily deaths per week for a while, but you know how averages work. So yes, some days we have as low as 6 deaths and some days as high as 12...generally speaking. https://www.scdhec.gov/infectious-diseases/viruses/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/sc-demographic-data-covid-19 Edit: Weird, so you have to toggle from Reported Cases to Reported Deaths--it's the first bar graph once on the Reported Deaths page. For some reason, the link reverts to reported cases.

Things will have to get really, REALLY bad for SC to start losing 25 people a day by October as the projections are estimating. A typical day is about 6 deaths and a very bad day is 10-12. These models are based off recent trends and lags several days. Late last week SC had a couple of really bad days with a spike in deaths and record number of cases, but things have calmed back down for the time being. Give it a few more days and if things stay at the current levels with no more spikes, those projections will trend back down some and not look quite as ominous.

I had been seeing stuff floating around about NYC's pols involvement before this video, but it was always second hand as sources were too afraid to come out directly (mostly nurses afraid of losing their jobs). Two camps here, this lady is a freaking kook or she's telling the truth. Even if she is being honest, she's going up against the NYC establishment so it's just going to get swept under the rug. Shouldn't the NYC media at least do their due diligence to debunk it? I mean, it's a very powerful accusation. If it were a complete fabrication it should be easily and quickly debunked, correct? Why completely ignore it as I'm sure someone, somewhere in the mega NYC media has seen this video. Could it be they have no interest in seeing if there is any truth behind this and possibly bring further light to the situation? Could it be they are willfully ignoring it in hopes it will just fade away? Accusations and allegations (this video and other sources): -Admitting patients that tested positive with minor symptoms--$10,000 for admitting COVID-19 patients -Prematurely putting patients on vents; most died. Hospitals got $36,000 from insurers for vent patients -Coding non-coronavirus deaths as such to get earmarked money for having "treated COVID-19 patients" -Putting COVID-19 patients in nursing homes with the most vulnerable populations -Line item put in a budgetary bill eliminating culpability of nursing homes in coronavirus deaths, limiting litigation. I mean, I could understand how this is a complete non-story...nothing serious at all about this, but Trump tripping down a walkway ramp is front page news. The NYC media is either being very lazy digging into this or being tow-the-line accomplices by willfully turning a blind eye. Which one is it?

Yup, filtered and sanitized to fit a narrative. Why is De Blasio forbidding trace workers from asking people if they had recently attended protests? Initial reports from Missouri protest tracing, only 1.4% have tested positive so far.

Struck a nerve, I see. Lol.

Nope, but a lot of people do. BTW, nice retort.

I still think NYC screwed it up for everyone. Also giving increased incentives to treat coronavirus patients, I think the system got scammed....BADLY. You can't look at NYC death figures and then look at every other city/state and say it looks normal. Just dismissing it because of their large population is being very short-sided. I would like to say their incompetence was due to ignorance, but unfortunately it was more than likely malicious. Washington State/Seattle never got that bad and they were ground zero for the virus. Chicago, LA, Detroit, DC, Dallas, Miami...this list goes on and on, none of these large cities experienced the same rate of death, so large populations isn't the main factor here. Greed and politicization is at the core or this. I really hope De Blasio gets thrown in jail once exposed. Cuomo is culpable too.

I'm more concerned for our economy and people's physical/mental well being. I'm not personally banking on a vaccine. Truth be known, the virus will most likely mutate into a less lethal form or burn itself out before a vaccine is readily available. However short of a vaccine, the hysteria will not settle down. As stated earlier, I probably wouldn't even get a shot. I'm hopeful for a vaccine so certain people that are still hunkered down in 'bubble mode' can get on with their lives. The secondary death toll may never fully be known (suicides, refusal of medical attention for treatable conditions and unable to get medical attention). I would venture to say it could be up to 1/3 of all "related" coronavirus deaths.

While Ebola is very lethal, it doesn't spread this easily and did't spread to every place on the globe. This is a 'all hands on deck' situation. Secondly, SARS is known virus. While this particular strain is novel, the family has been studied for a while, so it's not like they are starting from scratch with a complete enigma.

*Knocks on wood* The death rate is still inching down. I hope the trend continues! The confirmed cases are obviously still climbing, but the death curve is flattening out and has been heading that way for a little while.

I won't either unless I'm mandated to. I've never voluntarily taken a vaccine, only when I've had to. As I get older, that may change. If I were an elderly person during this pandemic, I would certainly think about it.

Heck, even one that's 50% effective is better than nothing. It's no different than the seasonal flu shot where they have no idea going into the "flu season" which strain will be most prevalent. That's the reason people still catch the flu despite getting a shot. The point is it saves some people from getting sick or worse, dying, while giving the populace in general the idea that they are safe. The flu season a couple of years ago claimed an estimated 61,000 lives. This was with a vaccine available.