45catfan

As it turned out in hind site. So what steps were taken to mitigate H1N1 when the virus first broke out and being studied? Answer, none. Pure luck it wasn't highly lethal as Biden's former Chief of Staff later admitted in an interview (Ron Klain). I'm not suggesting we stop tracking COVID-19, but what I am suggesting is the data is being hypermonitored, as you would, say for political ends and manipulated to a degree. Regarding ICUs--ICU units stay mostly occupied a great deal of the time: "Over the three years studied, total ICU occupancy ranged from 57.4% to 82.1% ..." from a study released in 2014. Here So it's not a stretch for an ICU to go from 82% to 100% quickly. Oh and only botched surgeries thing is a joke. My father-in-law had back surgery, everything went well and he recovered his first couple of days in ICU before getting his own room. Long, invasive surgeries that have a fairly lengthy recovery often have stint in ICU directly following the surgery. The CDC isn't political? How about 8,000+ donations to the DNC since 2015. Trump got only THREE donations in 2016 for his campaign from people at the CDC. A little bit skewed there I would say. Please continue.

Can this administration stop tracking the pandemic like the most recent one? No, why not?

You win the cookie! See, only a gullible person would dismiss one of many, many instances where the stats have been skewed. If this were the only case...sure, dismiss it as an one-off. It's not...not even close, and increasingly these "errors" are being uncovered. Riddle me this: Who is this White House official quoted regarding the pandemic--"...A pure fortuity this wasn't the greatest mass casualty event in American History?"

Elective surgeries are allowed now. But sure, 119% of ICU beds are COVID-19 patients. Granted certain counties may be stretched like Miami-Dade, but state-wide? Nah, not even close. Twist a narrative into a pretzel. It's fun!!!

A large percent of deaths nationwide were/are in elderly care facilities. Many of those folks had underlying issues and for those that did/will recover will struggle with the damage from COVID-19 in some fashion, no doubt. Where this thing got out of control is when it could listed coronavirus as a "factor" in a person's death. Primary reason, sure...I totally understand it. A potential factor? Nah, that can be twisted any imaginable way no matter how far stretched and it has. Numerous errors in case reporting has happened too leading to the padding of numbers.

Obvious. I mean now Covid-19 causes fatal accidents on highways!

Politics is driving this whole thing, period. Just our rotten luck a pandemic broke out in a presidential election year.

From a moderator. Does Igo condone this?

Strange...not sure what I was talking about, but then again knew exactly what I was talking about. A vaccine isn't around the corner as much as the media keeps hyping one. The reason is very obvious. Even so, it will likely be a seasonal vaccine and not a cure, likely with spotty effectiveness. This will continue to make its round every year for a while. Therapeutics is the best way to tackle this. We can't even eradicate the common cold, but a cure for a novel viral disease is just over the horizon!!! I'm not buying it. So what, we lock down until more studies are done on the linger effects? What then? Wait for more studies to be done based off those findings for some consensus in the scientific community? Thanks for somewhat acknowledging my post, however, even though you skirted around it. Yes, deaths have dipped below pandemic levels in America, at least for the time being.

Adding one caveat...or completely ignored altogether.

**Chirp, Chirp** Crickets...

Let me try this again.

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Not odd, just biased.

How is this different than many other occupations? Most office buildings have their share of overweight, middle-aged people. Now we are setting different standards based on occupation?

Who is doing the homeschooling? One parent would have to stay home. How about single parent homes, who stays home to do the schooling? I agree homeschooling is better than public schools in most scenarios, but that should be a decision the family makes outside of a pandemic.

Was that a slight or optimism? Honestly it can be interpreted both ways.

MSNBC journo's shocked about doctors opinions concerning sending kids back to school. Pressed by the reporter and all these Pediatricians didn't hesitate, not once. The news anchor at the end looked dejected: "they all said, yes"

34 posts and counting.

*Professional writer /story. See the funny thing about statistics is you have to have a hypothesis and verify it for any findings to be further extrapolated to have any meaning. His argument is flawed from the rip. Nobody honestly thinks nearly 3.3 million US citizens is dying from this so his continued cranking out of numbers is pointless.

The goalpost moving was directed to the crowd arguing to keep kids home in the fall in the broader context of the COVID-19 dialogue. Notice I didn't say 'you' are moving the goalposts. However it does seem like you are advocating to keep kids home until (if) a vaccine is developed. It has been demonstrated grade school kids fall behind in on-line learning. So by keeping parents home foregoing jobs, or putting them in daycare (how is that more sanitary than school?) in hopes a vaccine is right around the corner seems a bit over the top. The secondary damage done to the body due to COVID-19 is in the exact same demographic that is the most vulnerable, the elderly. I have yet to see where kids are showing signs of permanent damage linked to this disease. Teachers know how to protect themselves, so let's not fain we are protecting teachers here. Positive COVID-19 kids have to stay home until cleared and the schools can't hold it against their attendance (just like jobs can't hold it against employee attendance). What's so hard about that? Kids shed the virus faster than adults, usually 7-10 days. MMR and polio took forever to develop a vaccine. Yes, they are available now, but it's not like they were developed in mere months upon research like we are trying to do with this disease. If we are waiting on a vaccine, the entire 2020-2021 school year (at best) will be lost....on-line, but essentially lost.

Youth hospitalizations are 1% of confirmed cases of >18-years and 4 related deaths according to the stats in that article. So are we keeping kids at home until a vaccine is developed? The goalposts keep moving...first it was deaths, then ICU capacity, then overall hospitalizations and now is squarely on case numbers. Really? I guess people can finally win the case argument because the disease has to basically just go away for that to be a positive indicator.

I agree, but probably for completely different reasons.

The cost of raising kids continues to climb is the main reason. Third world countries still continue to pop out kids like Pez candy because they have limited access to birth control and don't have the means to send their kids to college.

Which is seasonal and not even 100% effective depending on the strain.