45catfan

You get the Chargers scenario where they had Drew Brees and still drafted Phillip Rivers (technically Eli). Not the worst thing in the world to have two top-flight QBs on cheap deal and get to sort out which one you really want to keep. Knowing us, we'll ship the better one off like the Chargers did Brees.

I think people are reading too much into the "they didn't like QBs #3 & #4" as opposed to ensuring we had Teddy's replacement already in house in case plans went awry on draft night. Teddy was not going to be here next season and Darnold was the nail in that coffin. In 12-24 months Sam might be very well be getting that same one-way ticket out of Charlotte. I mean does the staff love Grier and Walker that much?

I got what you are saying, so you don't have to keep reiterating it. I don't think you are are looking at the other side of the coin about hedging their bets. Do you KNOW they don't like Fields/Lance? Could it be they like them and a) didn't think they would be there or b) like them but didn't want to throw them to the wolves or c) both scenarios. You could be right, maybe they didn't like either of them, but at least consider the discussion could be a little bit more complex than that.

We are going to have to agree to disagree then. The main argument is this, if Teddy was even marginally better last year, we wouldn't even be picking the top half of the draft. We should not be in any position to draft a franchise QB after this year. Rhule seems awfully sure of himself and totally believes this team will be contenders form now on. That said, if Fields or Lance is there at #8, we would be hard pressed to pass them up, not without getting a king's ransom in trade value fully believing we should not be sniffing a top 10 pick in the foreseeable future. Again, think VALUE, not need.

It called hedging your bet. The front office could NOT RISK a run on QBs and be stuck with no options outside of starting Teddy again. Daronld was being shopped and Watson is radioactive right now. Things could have gone really bad on draft night if they didn't pull the trigger on this trade.

If Fields or Lance falls to #8, I wouldn't 100% bet against it. This is essentially a 2-year deal for Darnold. We gave up on Teddy after just 1 year and his contract ran 3years.

Guys this is about getting rid of Teddy, not necessarily taking us out of the QB market in the draft. The worst thing that could have happened was the 'big 4' were already gone and another team had already traded for Darnold prior to the draft. The front office couldn't risk that and be saddled with Teddy for another year.

Not exactly. Lance is the one that had to sit a year. We picked up Darnold's 5th year. If Darnold sucks this year, we at lest gave him a shot and can explore options, but most importantly it will give Lance the season to sit he needs.

I speculated he may go to Seattle (we have connections) to back up Russell Wilson. They have nobody if Russell gets injured. He's not going anywhere to be a starter.

Trade back with the Patriots now. After this laughable ruse of Jones to 9ers at #3 is debunked and he's sitting there at #8, we call Bill up in Boston and tell him Mac is all his for the right price. Then we draft Darrisaw at #15 and recoup our picks for Darnold. Funny, I literally did a mock a couple hours ago in the draft subforum based on us trading for Darnold. I promise I had no insider knowledge that this was actually going down while I was creating the mock. Look at the post time and while it was edited, that was over two hours ago.

I look at it this way, the guy was 1st round pick just a few years ago. The 6th rounder is likely a comp pick... so essentially an early 7th. We got the guy for a 4th and a 2nd when you boil it down. I thought it would take our early 3rd. Not terrible. We may get something for Teddy so we get one of the Day 3 picks back. A little rich, but we didn't get robbed. If this were Hurney making the deal, the Jets would have got #8.

I'm 90% sure that will not be the case. The team (Matt Rhule, in particular) will exhaust every feasible, logical avenue to ensure this does not happen. Right now, I think riding with Teddy as QB1 here is like option 'D' at this point, the "oh sh!t" plan if every other plan falls through.

Juan posting his selfies again.

Not until draft night. The hand-wringing over all 4 QBs being gone is a bit overblown. It certainly could happen, but I say the odds that either Lance or Fields is still there is higher than both being gone. That's why we wait. We know Sam's market and we certainly can trade a 3rd.

Something else. I literally just made a mock a little while ago in the draft subforum based on us trading for Darold because the 'big 4' were gone. We are coming away with a QB on day 1 this year; either Lance, Fields, Jones or Darnold (via trade). Bank on it.

Again, the worry warts that say Atlanta is snagging a QB are way off base. It's not completely out of the questions, but it's like a certainty to them. Ryan's contract is an albatross that just can't be glossed over as something trivial.

Yeah, I just mocked this scenario because if 'our QB' is gone at #8, this almost certainly will go down.

Here is my mock v2.0--the top 5 QBs are all gone except Mac Jones in this scenario. The Panthers' war room immediately calls New England to get interest in moving to #8 for Jones. On another phone we are talking to the Jets about a 3rd rounder (#73) for Darnold who just drafted Zach Wilson. Luckily both teams agree. The Panthers get picks #96 and #123 in 2021 from the Pats and also their 2022's 3rd. Later on we trade back again in the 2nd with Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney so they can get QB #6 (too rich in the 1st round) so we recoup the 3rd rounder we just shipped to the Jets. That trade gives them #39 and a player (Marquis Haynes-FA after this season) for their #51 and #82 this year. Here is how this shakes out with the two trades: *Remember, we now have Sam Darnold as our starting QB. #15- (NE) OT Christian Darrisaw- VIrginia Tech (LT) #51-(WFT) G/C Quinn Meinerz- UW- Whitewater #82- (WFT) S Caden Sterns- Texas (FS) #96- (NE) CB Paulson Adebo- Stanford #114- OT Spencer Brown- Northern Illinois (Moton insurance) #123- (NE) DT Tommy Togiai- Ohio State (3-tech) #152 DT Bobby Brown- Texas A&M (1-tech) #194 CB Tay Gowen- UCF #222 DE Cameron Sample- Tulane #227 G/C Ryan McCollum - Texas A&M -After the draft, the Panthers ship Teddy to the Seahawks for a 5th rounder in 2022 to be Wilson's backup.

Because 3% is drastically different?

You went there, didn't you.

Will do. I suspect it won't take too long.

Thanks. I'm old school. I firmly believe you need at least one true FB on the roster. On goal line I don't think you put a TE back there to be the bulldozer, especially today's TEs who are glorified WRs. I'm actually working on v2.0 right now for this week. This is going to be the far-out mock (worst case scenario) in round one that will jumble up the first two days selections from my norm this year. Next week will be refined, the one I really want to happen and the last one will be the final mock of the year. That mock will be the one I think will actually happen, not necessarily what I really want. The good thing about Marty Hurney was he always drop clues as to his draft crushes, so I was actually able to get really good at mocking the Panthers. With the new management, very little clues so this will be a total crap shoot this year.

To answer the title question--yes.

DT with 3rd round grades: McNeill (late 2nd), Williams, Togiai and Tufele. A couple more are early 4th contenders. So yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing one there. Again, if we traded back we can get two of three between IOL, DT or CB, I would be happy. I'm not sure why you want a LB since we signed several guys in FA. I think the team values veterans in the middle of the defense. Let the young athletic DL get after the QB and let the savvy veterans dictate what happens in the middle of the defense which will, hopefully, keep our mediocre corners from having to cover for very long. The same goes for IOL, they signed several guys so they they wouldn't have to burn a pick there unless the value was too good. You set up the draft through FA. There's no need to double down on positions that spent money to shore up in FA. If there's a center that drops from the 2nd or Mienerz is still there at #73, I would be all for that. However, guard is a nonessential position and the talent level flattens out after the top few prospects. Why spend a 3rd on a OG when you can get the same talent two rounds later? How I feel about the IOL how you do about DTs.

Only 2-3 years away if the coaching staff put training wheels on him i.e. being Captain Clipboard. He only needs to sit a half season or one full season max. Being 3-years out is only if a staff puts him on that time table.