45catfan

Sorry, no. Douglas was borderline horrible.

A lot of bad breaks have to happen early in the draft for us to be taking a WR. That is soooo far down my list.

Burrow and Chase have a strong connection. You know Joe is lobbying hard for that to happen. Those two were money in 2019.

Deal.

That's a odd bet. How about an avatar bet? Yes, I'm game for a bet, just not real sure about what you are talking about in a 'repeat my statement' bet. To the end of round 3 (including comp picks) and have to be drafted as DTs. Agreed: 5 or less you win, 6 push, over 6 I win.

It's amazing how many people miss this point. The importance of the QB position has grown exponentially over the past decade. That's the reason you don't see teams leaning on game managers anymore. QBs are expected to go out and win games rather than just playing 'not to screw up'. This is why we still may draft a QB if one falls to #8...like for real, and not just playing head games with the rest of the League.

We may or may not draft a QB. However since you watch football (we all do) you are the expert. Trash PFF and others all you want, but they get paid to provide football analysis and all you do is pay you cable bill to be an armchair expert. Could it be a smokescreen? Certainly, I'll acknowledge that, but you in your divine "I watch football on TV" wisdom knows it's 100% a smokescreen. You are quite funny, actually. Garoppolo was not a first round pick--moot point, Smith was a known commodity and has been passed around like a sorority girl at a frat party. Matt Cassell...where do I even begin with that joke (see poor man's Garoppolo). Tannehill was brought in as a backup, not a starter, so of course his compensation was going to be lower. The Patriots were able to trade Garoppolo and Cassell because they kept a back stock of decent QBs behind Brady and used that depth to their advantage. Where they screwed up is thinking Brady would never walk, he did and they got caught with their pants down by trading that away and only having scrubs waiting in the wings. Do you see the value of having capable backups or any parallels there? Probably not. BTW, Sam has Grier and Walker. I wonder what their trade value would be? I'll give you a hint: the monetary figure resembles an egg. Apparently you think competition is a bad thing, unless it's pseuo-competition, you know, scrubs. As for the 2nd rounder, let's do the math, 32+17 is 49. Once you hit around pick 50, it's not all that valuable. Heck, Fitts thinks the talent after middle of round one begins to taper dramatically. What does he know? I mean he's only a real life NFL GM. He also firmly believes in stockpiling talent (notice I didn't say warm bodies) at the QB position. Keep watching TV and maybe one day you can become a real life GM or at least buy a plaque to mount over your big screen that says so.

Stockpile, stockpile, stockpile and eventually you have a winner. It's like going dove hunting with a single shot round versus a scattershot round. We went all in last year on Teddy and it backfired. The team learned their lesson. We are not going all in on Sam. Even if we don't draft a QB, expect us to bring in real competition for Darnold unless they are unable to move Teddy. Grier or Walker will be holding a clipboard all season or end up elsewhere, possibly even both are out of Charlotte by the beginning of the season.

Oh? Man, my crystal ball may be working after all. I've been told all morning mine was defective.

Rhule lives in fantasy land too. He's my neighbor. Apparently Rhule, Fitts and Tepper don't rely on a precedent to make big decisions for this team. What a breath of fresh air!!!

Probably not the best, but at least this guy attempted to set up some sort of metric. A poster saying 'first round QBs suck more times than not' (paraphrased) is citing a highly scientific, labor intensive, peer reviewed study that is apparently too nuanced for me. Maybe it's just their opinion.

No, It is cheap, not cheap-ish. Darnold's 2nd next year will not be very high and his 4th virtually a 5th. You say this is speculation, and it is, but I guess your crystal ball works better than mine? I could care less if you trust my opinion, lol. If Darnold craps the bed, at worse, he hits FA in two years and we have our replacement already in house, with NFL knowledge and scheme savvy. This is not like Aaron Rogers and Jordan Love. Love will be in purgatory until the Packers decide what to do with Aaron. A rookie QB here will be in limbo MAX two seasons. By that time we will know exactly what to do with the two QBs. Hedging your bets is fantasy land? You truly are a fan of the Panthers where mediocrity is the gold standard.

The best I can compare it to is the Chargers with Brees and Rivers. While Brees was not a perceived bust, he was marginal enough for them to draft Rivers. Brees stats finishing up his rookie contract: In 59 games, he threw for 12,348 yards, 80 touchdowns to 53 interceptions and averaged just over 200 yards per game. Source They were in a no lose situation. One could argue they should have kept Brees based on how he turned out with the Saints--but that's hindsight cherry picking, however, the Chargers really were in the fortunate situation of choosing between two starting caliber QBs. We never stockpile QB talent and let the best man win, simply put all our eggs in one basket and keep our fingers crossed. And people wonder why we've always been a mediocre franchise.

Nope, not off the cuff, but at that point you have a legit #2 not named Grier or Walker. Heck, I mean we a have a 3rd round pick tied up in Grier and he won't EVER be a starter in this League. Darnold is a low-risk gamble with our draft capital, but we should not be foolish enough to hitch our wagon to him for the long term if we have an opportunity to draft a safety net. Now, this is only if Lance or Fields falls to #8. I am against using more draft capital to chase a QB by moving up. If one/both are miraculously there, I would be VERY hard pressed to make that pass.

If Darnold has a competitive bone in his body, it certainly should create a competition and bring out the best in the rookie and Sam.

According to the source, being a starter more than half of that player's career.

I disagree with the first sentence, totally agree with the second and uncertain with the third one.

The same would go for Matt Kalil. Go fish.

Point #1: It's essentially a 2nd and a 4th. This year's 6th is very insignificant. For a staring QB, that is peanuts. Point #2: You are assuming neither work out and the pick was wasted by not drafting another position Point #3: Darold will NOT led us to a QB next year. His awful will be just good enough to keep us out of range. Point #4: Potential replacement. You keep the better of the two and trade for a ransom. Point #5: You really don't understand the value a QB in this League. If Darnold pans out, that rookie in a couple years will still garner at least a first rounder and then some to a desperate QB needy team.

Source QBs historically have a 63% success rate in the first round, so yes, better than 50/50. You could say teams are less patient now and that number has dropped in recent years, but is that because QBs are worse or teams are just extremely impatient? I'm going with the later. Yes, OL is the safest in round one, but ditto for rounds 2 and 3. This year is a VERY deep class so we have the luxury of waiting until round 2 if need be.

So you are saying teams should never draft a rookie QB early, it's smarter to keep dipping from the FA well? FA QBs were rookies at one time too, so some team gave up on them as well. I would also note this isn't he 1990's and teams are VERY impatient with rookie QBs. If they aren't carrying the franchise by end of year two, typically teams are ready to cut bait. Again, does that mean teams stop drafting QBs early? No position has a 100% success rate or even close to it and if you are taking that gamble, it's with a franchise QB.

Bingo! I don't understand why this is so hard for people to grasp? QB is the MOST crucial position in football. By having two first round QBs, here are the scenarios moving forward: both work out, only one works out or neither work out. Right there you gave your organization 2-out-of-3 chances to succeed. This shouldn't even be a discussion.

I sometimes wonder when Varge puts out this stuff it's because information has been intentionally leaked to her source and it finds it's way to the Huddle. Not to say that her source is giving her bad info, but that the person the source is getting the info from in the Panthers organization is carefully tossing out these nuggets. I know, a bit conspiracy theory-ish, but it wouldn't surprise me either.

Ok, so you don't have a dog in the QB preference fight, you just don't want a QB at all. Fair enough. I was merely pointing out that if we did draft Fields he's likely to sit anyhow (as you even stated) and one of the biggest knocks on Lance--he has to sit a year. I could go on from there, but I'll leave it with that.

Does Fields unseat Darnold most or all of next season, yes or no? Simple answer.