45catfan

Especially if people were traveling to and from China or had interaction with Chinese nationals. I have a feeling their government didn't sound the alarm until they couldn't cover for it any longer, which would be once it got out of control. Obviously the Chinese government would not acknowledge they knew about it as far back as possibly August or September, that would only reinforce their ineptitude and culpability in dealing with a pandemic.

People are saying by ending the lock down along with Memorial Day celebrations are responsible for the current spike in cases. However, following the 1918 Flu trend, the timing of the spike was right on point. Sure those two event surely contributed to the spike, but I'm saying it would have likely happened anyhow.

According to articles I have looked at regarding the Spanish Flu, the waves hit roughly 4 months apart. There was three waves and took a little over a year to complete the cycle. The 1918 flu hit in spring, not winter like Covid-19, and it was deemed most under control by the summer of 1919. If Covid-19 cycles similarly to the 1918 Spanish flu, we are in the 2nd wave.

We could already be in the second wave. Why? There was a ton of sick people in America in December, but supposedly Covid-19 didn't get stateside until January, so it got dismissed. There's on problem, everyone is taking China's timeline on this and they have been caught in lie after lie. China says it wasn't a concern until December, but dots are being connected showing this was a huge deal prior to then. So, if the Chinese timelines are skewed by a month or two (probably intentionally), then so can ours. There was a WIDE SPREAD respiratory illness that went around my work in mid-December. Could it have been just the seasonal flu that hit hard at my job? Possibly, but it had all the markers for Covid-19. I have talked to a good amount of people that had the same symptoms or personally knew someone with those symptoms in December.

It does and on the health websites there is even a disclaimer that says individuals can have multiple positive test results. Meaning, they continue to test you until you are healthy. It would interesting to find out how many tests on average a positive person takes. For example, if it is even as few as two, then the number of positive tests are really half of the stated number.

Yeah, they walked back their asymptomatic people are hardly contagious statement.

Fair enough, but there's a reality that most people are willing to accept some risk to live their lives and to provide for their families.

The one week to 10 days people are usually the asymptomatic and mild cases. Correct, hospitalization is usually those over that time period. To my point though, every time there is a spike we shutter everything again? Put the information out there and some folks will take it upon themselves to observe best practices to hopefully prevent contracting it. We can't bounce around between shuttering and reopening mode indefinitely like flipping a light switch. If it does get bad, things will shut back down briefly, but shuttering simply by projecting is just as dangerous. People are finally getting back to work and then we yank the rug right back from underneath them based on a projection? Again, we discussed this a week or so ago that as testing increase, positive cases were almost inevitably going to increase. We know for a fact that early on not enough test were available and people, if not in immediate need to be hospitalized were turned away. Now, those people that would have been turned away two months ago are getting tested and with the remote testing locations popping up everywhere, even those with mild symptoms are getting themselves tested. That being said, is it a spike in the sense SHTF or simply more samples are being taken?

Riddle me this: barely 5% of the population of SC has been tested and only 7% of hospital beds in SC are currently in use for COVID-19 patients, so if the number of positive cases keeps increasing shouldn't the number of hospital patients increase accordingly?

What is your definition of bad? Really curious.

I wouldn't jump the gun yet. Testing is being done more and more. As a result there are more cases being discovered. That doesn't necessarily mean the virus is is spreading uncontrollably again. Only 7% of occupied hospital beds are currently being used for COVID-19 patients and still a 1/3 of hospital beds are completely vacant.

Satellite images from Whunan area hospitals show major uptick in vehicles from early September to October. Why would these hospitals see so many more patients and require extra staff? That's not cold and flu season yet. You have to wonder if the Chinese government sat on this for a couple of months? If so, then this virus was here in December, not January and likely the 'bad flu' that swept through my work mid-December was this coronavirus. Symptoms were very much in line with Covid-19. Satellites Images Show Whunan Hospitals Much Busier In October.

That sucks. I hope they are both better now.

So the WHO got it wrong again? That wouldn't shock me. They've been chasing their tail the entire time with this thing. If they put enough narratives out there, one of them is bound to be correct.

WHO are you? Really, the WHO that initially said this wasn't bad, to crap--the whole world is in dire straits, is now saying asymptomatic people ARE NOT VECTORS! Wow, so this whole time we closed off the economy to healthy people was a farce. Ugh. Asymptomatic People are VERY Unlikely to Spread COVID-19

Of course they did: Legal Shield for Nursing Homes Deaths

Are you aware of any class action lawsuits against him for the nursing homes disaster? I can't for the life of me understand why you would house positive patients with an elderly population, many of whom have multiple health issues? I know why they said it was done, to free up hospital beds, but creating triage centers (which they did after it was too late) was the obvious choice to begin with.

So a south Pacific island country with the population of 4.8 million (rough 3x that of Hawaii) was able to get their COVID-19 under control before a country of 328 million...the 3rd most populace country in the world?

Exactly. Remember coronavirus wasn't a complete unknown, bio-labs had been studying this family of viruses for a while. Somebody should have said, look this could become an issue if infected in the human population. Let's create a test kit, make a initial number of, say 1 million, and have the knowledge to mass produce more if this ever became an issue in the future.

As testing capacity increases in SC, the death rate continues to drop even as positive cases increases. I hypothesized this while back. In SC, we are now at 3.8% mortality rate even going by scrupulous calculation of confirmed positive tests only. As we all know by now, there are a lot more people that contracted this virus that were not tested, have not been and will not get tested (past, present and future). Again, my gut feeling is once all the dust settles down the road and scientists delve into the data producing HONEST and UNBIASED results, the true mortality rate in America will be around 1%. Still very high compared even a really, really, really bad flu season, but not the death sentence it was made out to be initially.

Whether intended or unintended, new cases of the virus will continue. Some think short of total heard immunity, continued transmission is on the knife's edge of a pending calamity. The acceptability factor and more importantly the responsibility of future transmissions will be an ongoing debate. I doubt you are going to find many individuals that are exactly on the same page. You have the continued lock down folks, fully open up folks and a wide spectrum of opinions somewhere between.

Kinda getting off topic. With COVID-19 (or anything else) just explore the information and make a decision based of it. That's all you can do. We have plenty of data now associated with this virus for people to make those informed decisions. However, if they want to just read headlines and go off media sound bites, then they can remain in semi-permanent lock down indefinitely. Media and social unrest are bed partners...normalcy is doesn't drive up viewership and lacks ample click-bait opportunities.

Most people live in an echo chamber only wanting to hear things that reinforce their current beliefs. Politicians are very good about reaffirming those beliefs by pandering to them in return for votes. It couldn't be more evident by everything going on.

I completely understand, but to most people it's worth the risk now. People have weighed their options and to those that have excepted the risk, it's their choice. For those that still want to shelter in place, that's their right as well. I understand it's not a pleasant death, but most deaths aren't. I imagine lung cancer patients experience a similar unpleasant experience. That said, most were smokers and knew the dangers. Inform, inform, inform, take precautions and move on. People die all over the country every day, many for unnatural causes. We can't 'baby-proof' the populace of America until every one of us dies of a natural death at a ripe old age.

I see what you are saying, but people remember the original estimates of 1 to 2.2 million deaths. Granted it was a projection, but way off base. You have to understand the unintended consequences of badly projected numbers. People understand that original death rate was grossly overestimated and also are seeing that if they are under 60 and healthy, the chances of them dying if caught is infinitely small. Should they still be concerned for their fellow man and take precautions? Sure, but don't expect them to feel they need to shelter in place any longer either.