45catfan

When did that change? I stopped going to games because the blue hairs were telling me to sit down. Crap, if you uttered a four-letter word the yellow coats got called texted) on you.

Right, because 5 years and under are still on their rookie contract. It's hard to call them busts...yet. They are still having the tires kicked. Pickett-meh. Trevor, probably pans out (#1 overall). Wilson benched. Lance injured. Jones--looking at a handing Belichick a losing season. Burrow--the real deal (#1 overall). Tua--injury-plagued (above average). Herbert***the REAL exception***. Murray#1--looking like a bust. Daniel Jones--likely FA, Haskins (RIP) bust. Baker-Bust! Sam-simi-bust. Allen--Legit. Rosen-B-U-ST!!! Trubisky BUST. Mahommes-REAL DEAL. Waston-Moments, but legal issues. So you got, #1 overall withstanding (not moving up that far) Herbert, Allen and Mahommes. Tua is having a good season--his first but it's too early to crown him yet. I have yet to see this pattern of QBs that are can't miss prospects. Granted, the miss rate is slowing declining, but it's still very prevalent.

Thomas and Tremble, both. Blocking TEs are a dime a dozen. Word on the street was the Tremble was a Rhule crush. NEVER draft a pure blocking TE before day 3. Turn Tremble into a H-back/FB until his contract is up. He has no reason to be running routes beyond 5 yards. Ian can go quietly into the night. Sadly, I don't think we save much by cutting him next year so he may as well linger another season.

Ibrahim isn't bad, just a history of injury (if I'm thinking of the right guy). I like the double dip at TE. I've mocked Harrison to us a bunch. Hoping Bozeman takes a hometown discount is unlikely. We will have very little FA signing space, so drafting a center is a must. Obviously we needs LBs, I've double dipped in several mocks there--one ILB and one OLB.

Lol, I posted the partial list of a looooooooooooooong list of busts, but hey, I guess it's a little less than 99%. The point you are arguing the semantics of the math settles my case. Have a great evening sir.

Great 4 examples. Cherry picking. Let me rattle off a list that's not cherry picking: Rosen, Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Bortles, Manziel, Manuel, RGIII, Tannehill, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Sanchez, Freeman and so on and so on and so on and the list could go on forever. You're good with a swing and a miss. I'm not, especially giving up 3 first rounders and saying 'at least we tried.' Also, what system? We don't even have a staff in place for next year. We are able to identify QBs for a system that we don't even have yet? Again, better wait until next year. Heck, even the Fields guys are lamenting an ill-fit with the Bears and the lack of talent. So is it Fields or is the Bears' coaching staff and/or organization failing to coach him and put pieces around him? Let the staff have a year to get their feet wet and then decide what QB they want moving forward. Then if they want to move up for a QB, that may be more palatable. Don't worry, we still will picking relatively high, not that using future draft capital bothers you much even if we actually do well.

Dude has been on a downward spiral for a while now. When the WR needy Packers kick you to the curb, the writing is on the wall for that receiver.

Lamar and Jalen were flyer picks. I hope you understand that. What's asinine is giving up 3 1sts rounders in this QB class. "You win" is easy to say as a fan, but the busts and middling QBs are WAAAAAY more common and sets back a franchise in the real world. Sorry, but you dismiss the franchise QB drafting process as trivial. Simply move up, grab a guy, and presto! Problem solved! Dude, if it were only that easy. There's a reason why that 10-ish area of the first round to the mid-20s are largely void of QBs in most drafts...teams know if there isn't a a top 10 QB worth taking, then hold off until the end of the round, top of round 2, for a flyer pick.

This are a typical results, correct? You cherry picked one of, if not the prime, exceptions to the rule. Not being a douche, but should I post the results of the 99% of times this didn't work?

We will not be able to get Stroud, not unless the tank is back on. I'm not believing the mocks that have Levis going ahead of Stroud. The Texans will get QB1, period, end of story. So you think QB2 will fall all the way down to us? I have also stated today that Fitts should be fired for trading up. There's no generational QB in this draft to justify it. Again, I get the desperation at QB, but at this point it makes little sense to draft a QB sitting where we are now on the draft board.

Geno has resurrected his career with decent parts around him. We can get a decent FA to steady the ship until the right time to draft a first round QB. Reaching is not good. Now, let's say Richardson falls to Seattle and they want him, do you think they are going to let Geno Smith hold that back? Same here, if we sign the likes of Minshew, Mason Rudolph, Jacoby Brissett, or re-sign Darnold. Teddy was truly the one we thought would be a bridge QB, the Mayfield and Darnold experiments was about winning now. I'm good going back to a bridge QB scenario, for now, and filling out the rest of the offensive side of the ball with legit weapons. I still refer to the Steelers and the Big Ben model. They were a complete team that just needed a franchise QB. We are a shell of a team looking for a savior. Which one of those scenarios is likely to play out well?

We will have first dibs at Darnold in FA, heck Walker for that matter if it came down to it. I'm not against taking a stab at a QB later on in the draft, but passing up a near certain thing for a QB that, at best, looks like a 2-3 year project? Nah, I can't justify it. I bet most people didn't realize that Darnold was statistically better than Mitch yesterday. Trubisky had a running game working for him and a WR that had no problem getting open. That said, he didn't have to outplay Sam because all the parts around him were clicking. Food for thought.

Or we could be the Jets. They have swung for the fences with rookie QBs and completely stuck out...multiple times. If you are not sitting at #1 overall, then you do not have the best shot at a franchise QB. We are at best looking at QB3 and likely QB4. If anyone can sit here and tell me that QB4 is better than WR1, TE1, or DE2 this draft is absolutely nuts.

We all guess, man. Some of us just actually devote a little time to making our guesses more educated and others just shoot from the hip because that's what feels/sounds correct in their head. That's a dig a the Huddle at large--not you personally.

Not really since the early days. For all Hurney's faults, he normally nailed his first rounder. Gettleman was not great. Fitts seems to be nailing his first rounders too.

This is how much this QB class dried up. It's a far-out snapshot of the 2024 class. All but Caleb Williams was initially projected to declare this year. Add Williams and *argh* Drake Maye to that equation and the situation looks a heck of a lot better a year from now. But we have to settle for either Levis and/or Richardson?

So a rookie staff is the best to figure out who their franchise QB is? This isn't Cam at #1. It's not that cut and dry. We are looking at Levis and potentially Richardson--the later as this QB class continues to dry up, his stock is only going to skyrocket. A lot of these college QBs with eligibility left are going back to school.

Draft a top TE: circa 2017---five years and counting. The Panthers are very, VERY, VERY slow learners. I mean, it took nearly a decade to replace Jordan Gross. I guess I have another 5 years to wait for us to draft a Pro Bowl potential TE to replace Olsen.

100% correct. A top weapon that's polished should take priority over project QBs. I'm not sure the team will see it that way if a QB is dangling in front of them on the draft board though.

I thought Fields was a very gifted athlete that plays the QB position above average. So far, that's panning out as most of his highlights are with his legs. Exhibit A, in the posts above. Now, switch Chicago in that statement to Carolina and see if it makes any sense, whatsoever, to draft a QB this April.

Leary is taking Levis' spot at UK. Let' see how he does against SEC opponents. If he does well, he could very well be a first rounder next draft.

28th QB in the League is special because he had a rushing TD? Mind you, that's only ahead of Wilson, Heinikce, Mayfield, Wentz and Pickett.

^^^^^This. We got rid of our only real weapon in CMC. Moore would be a #2 on teams with deep receiving corps. But "DRAFT A QB" they all say. And do what? Have the poor guy throw to Shi Smith, TMJ, Ian Thomas and Chuba out of the backfield? LOl, dude would be set up for failure right out of the gate.

Bo Nix is returning to school. Another late round prospect gone.

Right, so we take a huge gamble on questionable products coming out of college at the QB position when we can take a near certain weapon with a proven track record instead? Makes perfect sense to me.