45catfan

Amazing how people automatically assume drafting a first round QB is a shoo-in solution. It's an easy solution, but not even close to a sure thing. The recency bias of the QB success from the 2020 draft is skewing people's perception of YEARS of data showing extremely high bust rates among first round QBs. In a typical year, ONE QB--at most, drafted in the first ends up not being a bust. So either we have to be damn sure we get the correct one or hope this QB class is not a typical year.

How about reasonably priced vets like Brissett or Minshew who have experience in Indy/Philly systems?

Word was we were going to cut him and Fitts still managed to swindle the Cardinals out of two draft picks. Any draft picks at all is amazing.

Chosen Anderson? More like yaknowwhatimean Anderson.

If he's already here, why the hold up I wonder?

Any background with TEs per chance?

That could be and he could be more consistent too.

I did--foot in mouth scenario or possibly just spitballing. Irsay is a moron, but I think he knows that EVERYONE knows they are looking to draft a QB. No secret there. Even our own GM has all but said we are seriously looking to draft a QB. Again, no secret there.

Who knows with Irsay? I'm just saying, Peyton, Luck--took a shot at Carson Wetnz. Dude likes tall pocket passers. Maybe he's evolving with the League, but it would shock me if Young is truly his QB1 this draft.

Info 'leaked' out this early is likely misinformation. They are taking a QB, but I bet we will see multiple reports/leaks contradicting one another as time goes on. Levis seems like a Jim Irsay guy. This may be bait to get the Colts to bite and trade up a couple spots with the Texans and Houston still gets the QB they really want at #4.

Good, maybe he will light a fire under Moore's butt and get the most out of TMJ/Shi Smith. Moore is so frustrating. He just meanders throughout the season and teases us with a superb game sprinkled in here and there while going nearly unnoticed in many others.

Never got a Pro Bowl nod AND started less than 50 games (roughly 3 season). I mean losing the starting gig in 3 years should be enough, but they added no Pro Bowls and as seen this year, it's not too difficult to get to the Pro Bowl--you just can't completely suck apparently.

I think that would be the ultimate hatchet-burying move for this board. We get a QB, didn't have to move up, actually moved back to get more picks. I'd be ok with AR if we moved back, just not at #9. We need more picks this year and we may have a QB more polished sitting there next year within striking distance to move up. Drafting AR, as completely as raw as he, does not preclude us drafting another next year if a franchise QB can be had.

Pretty high and again, I...don't...care. FYI, busts generally only apply to first rounders...little technicality there. I want to sit out this draft--entirely--at QB, but would be okay with a slight move up for one of the top two. You are saying the first rounders are better than 3rd rounders, up is not down and cats don't like dogs or some silly thing like that.

Good thing we don't want a first round RB!

Top 10 QB picks on original draft team was the metric I was using. Somehow 3rd-7th in a draft year came up. Obviously the percentages goes down, but what position doesn't? I found a year-2014 that had three guys start successfully for their teams later in the draft. Was it 3rd-7th? No, but who cares--dumb and arbitrary parameters you set forth to somehow make your point. Higher draft picks tend to do better, you don't say? Anyway, I do the digging and you ask rhetorical questions. Do your own research, for one, and two, you will see the folly of moving up at all costs for QBs. Strategically moving up is fine, but not at all cost because of irrationally impatient fans. I've stated today that I'd be willing to go up to #5 if one of the two is still there. Moving to #3 or #1 is--I'll plainly say it--STUPID.

The Browns got so tired of swinging and missing they went out and gave a pervy-molester the richest QB contract in NFL history, lol!!!!

You moved the goalposts (in bold), not me. So if we are moving goalposts--2014 for the win! Thank you and good night!!!

Already been debunked unless two drafts qualifies as "every. damn. year." Missed our opportunity in 2020. 2021 Lawrence was the guy and the Jags wasn't giving up the #1 for him. You had to be brain dead to draft a QB in the top 10 last year. EVERYONE should have said wait and rightfully so. So no, it's not every. damn. year. Before the 2020 draft we had this dude named Cam Newton at QB, possibly heard of him? Good reason to pass drafting a QB every. damn. year. while he was here.

About the same, 1/4 this past season: Hurts-2nd, Geno Smith-2nd, Jimmy G.-2nd/Purdy 7th, Carr-2nd, Wilson-3rd, Dak-4th, Cousins-4th and Brady-6th.

Also when I say the 2020 draft is a unicorn, you'd have to go back allllllllll the way to 2004 to find another draft with similar success. Before that? Good luck going back that far! Edit: Ooooh, I did find another...1971!!!!!

Thank you for asking. I want to move back in this draft and stock up on skill positions (outside of QB) and draft the defensive-appropriate personnel for a 3-4. Prior to that I would like to pick up either Brissett and/or Minshew in FA on a 2-3 year deal (backgrounds with Indy/Philly). Get the rest of of the roster molded in the form that this staff is looking for and then in 2024 get the rookie QB. Then there is zero pressure to start the guy right away. If the rookie impresses, there's no major blow back (cap wise or from the fans) benching Minshew or Brissett if the rookie is ready to go. Moving back this draft also gives us more picks for the 2024 draft in case we do have to move up some.

Let's go back to QB draft classes beginning at 2010-just 12 short years ago, shall we? Qualifers: still the starter on original draft team, top 10 selection. 2010-None 2011-None 2012-None 2013-None 2014-None 2015-None 2016-None 2017-One-Mahommes 2018-One-Allen ----------------------------------------------------- Still on rookie deals 2019-Two- Murray (extended), Jones (Jones not offered 5th year) *2020-Three-Burrow, Tua, Herbert [*unicorn draft] 2021-One or two- Lawrence and Lance? Wilson is washed with the Jets 2022-None-None was worthy of a top 10 pick, lol! Take out the unicorn draft and you have 5.5 (Lance is a .5 until we know more) top 10 QBs in the past dozen years still starting for their draft team. A slam dunk moving up for a QB, huh?

Tua is one hit from retiring and up until this year, Jones was on the chopping block. Daniel was playing so lights out that the Giants forgot to pick up his 5th year option. Ooops, how did they overlook that? The 2020 draft class was and IS an outlier. All three of the top 10 QBs made the playoffs. Can't pretend that happens with any regularity.

Geno Smith, Kurt Cousins, Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott, Tom Brady, Jalen Hurts and--for cying out loud--Brock #255 Purdy. How many of them were top 10 draft picks?