45catfan

Data.

You mean the playbook he and Frank made together? I would say very likely.

Inside the numbers, yeah he's good. Outside the numbers 15+ yards, not so much.

Wasn't someone open on the near sideline?

Chark, Mingo and TMJ

Lol, I tried to tell people. Nothing against Brown, but people were acting like Frank WAS the offensive staff. People don't realize game plans, play books and personnel decisions are a collaborative effort. So this whole idea of Frank letting go of play calling duties was somehow going to make this offense look vastly different was a laughable notion.

That seals it for me. Bryce knows his arm limitations. A FIVE YARD flea flicker attempt.

It will probably come out later, much later, the front office guys (Fitts/Tepper) wanted to get Bryce. I honestly think Frank know which way those guys were leaning. Looking at his history, Bryce does NOT fit the M.O. of a Frank Reich QB.

Samuel, Colbert and LaFell. Moose was our first and only 2nd round WR pick to do anything.

We should be banned from drafting WRs in the second round.

Thielen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rest of WRs.

Remember, the offense was going to be like night and day when Brown took over. I tried telling people that Brown HELPED design the plays and scheme game-to-game, but somehow people thought this offense was going to totally different just because Reich isn't calling the plays. The only way the offense is going to look different isn't changing the play caller, but changing play BOOKS.

That offense looking totally different.

Watch us do nothing. The worst team in the League and apparently completely satisfied with it. I mean, we keep signing dudes off the street, so there's that--roster building at it's finest.

I'm not sure why, but I kinda got a good feeling about this one.

For the urbanites. For the suburbs, this isn't a big issue. How walkable a city is ranks pretty low for people that choose to live in suburbia unless transplanting from up north.

Cam is also from Atlanta so it makes sense he would want to build his business back home. Reggie White retired in Charlotte and was not form here. Someone mentioned Randy Moss, also not from here. Many former Panthers stayed in the area, some more famous than others.

What's going to happen is the next 3 games is the easiest stretch the rest of the season and we might win one--possibly two of them. The sunshine committee will be out in full force to say "see,we told you so" only for the team to go right back into a tailspin when the schedule stiffens up again.

Oddly enough California is one of the top state people are leaving and NC is one of the most desired states for people to move to. Also, a lot of former football players retire in the Charlotte area. The Canes have a championship and are betting favorites this year to win it all. Most Nascar folks call NC home too. If you are talking strictly the Panthers and Hornets, then yes, these are not top destinations. Why? Neither are good. If they become winners, then players will want to come. The same with fans. Win games and they will buy tickets.

Remember, this is the game where to pre-snap penalties were absurd. The Seahawks have arguably one of the loudest venues in the League. A lot of these longer throws were because we were WAY behind the chains. Obviously the volume of throws is glaring, but if you look at where the some of these passes were thrown by Dalton, you can see he uses the entire field. Bryce had exactly one throw at the boundary beyond 10 yards. Dalton was 50% on his throws beyond 25 yards one of which was a TD. Bryce's attempts outside the numbers beyond 15+ yards is woeful 0-4 in that Miami passing chart. We took four shots, so it's not like they didn't dial up some longer plays at all. Inside the numbers in that 15-20 yard range he was 3-3. Teams see this and know they can leave guys on an island outside. They do not fear/think Bryce will go deep outside. Play press coverage, bring a safety down and bring the heat. This is the blueprint to keep Bryce frazzled. Our boundary WRs are obsolete. Bryce is not a scramble threat either. Teams have to guard Thielen out of the slot, a TE and the RB in the backfield. All things considered, a pretty easy task.

Yup, they got handled yesterday too. If they think a good edge rusher can get their defense off the field, they should pick up the phone. They have an additional 3rd rounder this draft too. A 1st and 3rd this year and a 2nd in 2025 (last part of the trade this year) that would work for me.

Ugh, listened to the entire thing only to get to the trade remarks at the very end, the only reason I clicked play in the first place. If there is ANY market for TMJ, D-Jax or Burns, then it should be entertained. Anyone thinking we are going to go on some miraculous run is delusional. At best we take 2 of the next 3 games and possibly another couple by season's end. Again, if 5 wins is the absolute best we can hope for at this point, then we should be in full sell mode. Get as much draft capital as possible and offload the heavy cap burden for the future. The staff tried to be piece together a veteran team around Bryce and failed. The new plan should be get young guys to grow along with Bryce. Yes, that means probably a long 2024 season too, but we tried the alternative and are sitting at 0-6. Get a young core of players that could make some noise in a couple of years while making strides next year. That I could live with.

I dug deeper because you engaged in the discussion, which is completely fine, that's what this board is for. However, the eyeball test confirms what one, two, three or more sets of data will bare based on actually watching the games. We can dig as deep as you want, but the point remains we are a dink and dunk offense, which is going to the be a high completion percentage, low air yards/yards per attempt based on scheme. Again the question being: is this purely scheme or does the staff not have full confidence in Bryce's ability to push the ball down field? I've addressed this in the past regarding the Seattle game with Dalton. The offense looked markedly different. Folks noted that Andy supposedly "asked" for those longer throws. If that's the case and Bryce, who is our franchise QB wanted some deep shots, does anyone honestly think the staff would say no to him?

Reid runs a WCO. They have the play makers to turn short passes to house calls, we don't. On the flip side, if they need Mahommes to push the ball down the field the Chiefs have no reservations in having Patrick letting it rip. Regardless of the names at 30-32, Bryce's air yards is still bottom 4 in the League of starting QBs. There is only one real question: is the staff holding Bryce back from taking shots based on scheme or are they shielding him from his weakness?

Everyone knows Joe is playing on a bum leg. I almost most put that in the post as a disclaimer, but I figured most people knew that Joe is basically playing on one good leg.