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That would basically make him a top 10 quarterback based on last year's stats if you break down each QB metric, complied and ranked them. I get the premise of the question--why should we get rid of Bryce after the season if the team still sucks, but it's not Bryce's fault? Fair enough. If Bryce balls out and for whatever reason we still can't get over the hump, he shouldn't catch all the grief for it. However, I will caveat that while stats can add layers of paint to a canvass, they do not always paint the whole picture. So while those hypothetical stats are pretty darn good, if we are inept in the red zone settling for FGs or he's coughing up the ball on sacks or completing layup passes that doesn't get us first downs, then statistically he can have a really good season, but it could leave us on the short end of the scoreboard some games.

The main detractors think we should have went defense in round 1 and then came back to WR in either rounds 2 or 3. In other words, DEF>>>WR in terms of need and thus dinged us on the grade.

Not defending the guy and honestly don't even know who he is, but a lot of people had Sanders going to the Saints until they literally came out the week before the draft and said they absolutely were not taking a QB at #9. Even a few holdouts thought it was a bluff. So everyone that had us taking Williams or Walker are clowns? Only a very few mocks leading up to the draft had us taking TMac. He was a popular choice to us early on (myself included) and, in hind sight, why the "leaks" of us loving Walker to the media was so common. Verge did get one thing right about the draft, Walker was a smokescreen. Sure he may have been the consolation prize if TMac had got taking by the Jags or Jets, but we now know who really was the #1 target.

NFL dot com gave us the 25th best draft class. Full list: https://www.nfl.com/news/2025-nfl-draft-ranking-all-32-rookie-classes-plus-overall-grades-favorite-picks-and-day-3-sleepers

Ha-ha, I bet that went through everyone's mind. Admittedly I don't read all the comments in a thread before I make a post. Great minds think alike!

The last time I loved the Panthers was 2017; they broke my heart in 2018 and have just been my side piece every since then. Ya know, show some interest when I have an urge and ambivalent the rest of the time.

Never put Horn and break in the same sentence. Thank you.

Possibly, but luck was ultimately on Bryce's side because offensive injures started to rack up and Dalton looked exposed after that Raiders game. Remember, Thielen went down for several weeks during that Dalton stretch and the O-line had some bumps and bruises. Just about the time Bryce was inserted back into the lineup everyone started to get healthy.

To me Bryce's ceiling is his backup, Andy Dalton, in his prime. Sure, he may get us some winning seasons and may even get us to the playoffs on occasion, but with an early exit. To me he doesn't have what it takes to be elite and it takes an elite QB to consistently get deep into the playoffs. He's not Jackson, he's not Mahomes and he's not even Allen. In an organization like Philly, he possibly could have what it takes to make a deep run, but let's face it...Philly is well oiled machine and and we are a GMC Grimlin.

Don't be so sure, this team has a long history of falling in love with players and dragging their feet when it's obvious to everyone else it's time to move on--whether it be age, injuries or high draft picks.

I was thinking Charles Johnson.

Maybe we should have just drafted a corner? Crazy, I know. One of the few positions we knew had to be addressed in the draft and nadda.

The front office has fixed the offense for Bryce. We have ZERO holes. A bit inexperience at TE and WR (to a lesser extent) but the excuses for Bryce not to live up to his draft hype are officially over. This draft should have been more front end heavy and more draft capital spent overall to fix our awful defense. The fact that we had to trade up some to chase picks on defense because we took another weapon for Bryce in round1 says everything.

Tepper hasn't changed, he's keeping his ego and bad decisions out of full public view. Dave's just making the same bad decisions largely behind closed doors. He's at least self aware enough to know he's not a fan favorite and that's why he's largely taken a back seat to media exposure. I serious doubt it was some inflection moment, epiphany, course correction or humbleness that Dave had come to realize.

McShay thought it was a reach, but conceded due to the lack of blue chip WRs Tet was going high anyway. He wasn't a fan of the Scourton pick either at where we picked in round two in the trade up. He felt it was a reach because we passed on getting a better EDGE prospect in round1. His draft evaluation (in this particular episode I watched) was not about grades but fits and value. He didn't think our first two picks met the value of where selected them. He really liked Ransom pick (I think we all do) and thought the Evans selection was sneaky good.

I'm open to all the top guys at this point and critique as the season progresses, although about 5 of them are only 3rd year guys. I don't have a draft crush yet, to answer your question. Some (unlikely all) will go back for another season...especially in case of a prolonged injury or underwhelming season of production. It worked out well for Cam Ward to stay in college and transfer to Miami this season. I think he was project as a solid Day2 guy (likely Round3) if he had came out last year. I'll critique as the season goes along. Remember, this current QB class looked a lot different from how it started in the fall to how is actually shook out in the draft. As a whole, folks thought Sanders was QB1, Ewers QB2 and Ward was QB3. Dart was like QB5 or QB6. I think the only one that was about spot on was Milroe around QB4 or QB5. The talent in the 2026 QB class is better and much deeper than this one even if a couple decide to stay in school. He's one site's way too early 2026 QB rankings as of spring 2025: Funny, I already came across a 2026 first round mock draft and they had the Saints taking Nussmeier #1 overall.

Cool. I hope he does well. It was just a thin draft overall from a value standpoint to have a top 10-15 pick, save 3-4 guys. Maybe T-Mac shows proves he was worth a top 10 pick. I just know I routinely read/heard from football talking heads that (outside of Hunter--a hybrid player) the top WR in this class would have been at least WR6 in last year's class.

I think the point is we took a tall WR in round 1 last year. So it was essentially a double dip when there were other needs, better value and to their point, a position that could have been addressed later. Jayden Higgins is darn near a replica of T-Mac.

Some of these have to be bogus. I'm sure the agents have had contact with the Panthers, but as far as official invites, I wouldn't think it is that high.

Yes, at least we should. This his contract year 'in theory.' This next QB class is too loaded to pass up a guy up that we are lukewarm on. I say we (as the fans) because the Teppers and front office love the guy. The Panthers missed out on the 2024 QB bonanza because we could sit patiently one more season and if we don't make the playoffs this year (at least be in the hunt deep into December) then it will be time to move on for someone in a QB class that will be nearly as loaded as that 2024 one.

From NFL.com: (apologies if already posted; not sifting through 41 pages) I agree with this summery. I don't hate the T-Mac pick, but it was a reach at #8. There were two TEs that would have met value, need and physical attributes the team was looking for in a BY "jump ball"/red zone guy. Walker even made more sense from an EDGE perspective. His final Big Boards status was about as scattershot for top tier guys, regardless of position, as I found on the Web. Anywhere from just outside the top 10 all the way to the very bottom of round 1. Todd McShay had him a mid-second rounder. A very polarizing player among the scouts/draft gurus to say the least.

If you do buy the Huddle BigCat, shitcan the Tinderbox. It really has no place on a sports forum. I understand it's original intent--which was to take heated discussions out of the main forum, but it's morphed into cess pool. There's plenty of political/conspiracy theory sites around the net for those dozen or so folks to visit.

I think his stock took a ding surrounded by his rumored 40 time.

I still think we should have drafted a corner. Still pretty thin there. Unless an UDFA makes the roster, we might have to sign a veteran off the street.