Sgt Schultz

The beauty of the title of this thread is it can survive the test of time. "Might be happening today" could go on for weeks, months, or years.

I went to look something up for him, and the box on the right that usually links to Wikipedia says: Baker Reagan Mayfield is an American football quarterback for the Shanghai Sharks of the National Football League. Looks like we lost out to Shanghai. The Wikipedia article does not say that (unfortunately) nor does it look like it ever did. They missed out on a scoop.

I think the idea was that we get a 4th in 2023 along with Mayfield in exchange for Anderson and Darnold.

What do you want? We rubbed some dirt on it for him. He'll be fine.

I don't think they will allow him to use such words on this forum.

I don't want Mayfield, but that is because I don't think he is the answer to anything other than getting to mediocrity. The possible exception is if they believe Corral will not be ready this season, but is "the guy." It is kinda tough to conclude both of those conditions at the same time, especially in the next couple of weeks. Even if it is true, the best option may still be to let Sam stink up the joint, pick up a first-round QB in 2023 and then sign a vet to round out the QB room. That said, if they want to take the Sam mistake off our hands in exchange for us sweeping up the ashes they created with Mayfield, I'd be okay provided any additional compensation is about round 5. Much more than that we are basically just rinsing and repeat the same desperation that got us Sam. The Browns screwed themselves with Mayfield. They created a situation that ensured he was not going to play there again and did so for a guy who may not play there at all even though they traded away a ton of draft picks to make the deal. I would not be inclined to throw them a life preserver. I'm sure they are sitting in Cleveland thinking "these are the same morons that traded a ton for Darnold and then backed the Brinks truck up to his door."

For most coaching staffs, it is a lottery approach. Part of the lottery is whether any of their QBs work out (see Cleveland's history). The other part is when their next job will come. Actually doing what I characterize as Hoodie's approach in New England, nah. Unfortunately, for most of the last four or five years we have been buying lottery tickets.

When a QB is drafted high on a bad team they most likely start week one, and most likely in a bad situaiton. If that same QB is drafted high by a good team, he may well find himself sitting for a while until they believe he is ready (see Lance). One team has the luxury of patience while the other is too busy chasing the situation. The biggest adjustment for young QBs is that the NFL game is speed. The DBs they will face on any given week are better and faster than the best DBs most of these guys faced in college. The other difference that is related to speed is that most college QBs wait for the receiver to get open. In the NFL, they are usually throwing in anticipation of the receiver getting open unless he clearly will not during the read, because he won't be open for very long. Quick mental processing (or perhaps even slow) and learning to anticipate (and who you can anticipate with) is exactly what Darnold does not do, and given his style he probably was never going to learn from the bench, from the field, from anywhere. You can add Brady to the list of QBs who didn't start right away, and had Bledsoe not gotten hurt who knows if or when we would have seen Brady. Then there is the case of New England and Jones. Hoodie has always adapted his schemes (offense or defense) to fit what he has. He doesn't generally abandon the scheme, but he does modify it. In the case of Jones, they do what he can do and gradually increasing that as the season wears on and he can handle it. One would conclude this falls under development, although maybe it is just slowing things down until the player adapts to the NFL. Problem is, most teams do not do that. They throw them into the deep end when it doesn't work, the response is to keep doing it until it does until something has to give. I could be off base here, but I have always thought DCs are a lot better at adapting to their talent than OCs, who tend to be more of the mindset that we are going to do this their way or else.

Well, the title is correct: Matt Rhule is an amazing coach. He amazes me a lot.

Agreed, the defense basically gave up 6 points in that game. The Bronco D scored one TD themselves and set up the offense on the 4 for the second, accounting for 15 points. One of their FGs came after our special teams stood around thinking the PR had called for a fair catch and the ball wound up on our 14 yard line. Had they found a way to give Remmers any help on Miller, we still might have won. Moton alone probably would have done the trick.

Add Holtz to that list. There are a lot of college wins and championships that couldn't cut it in the NFL.

After two years in the NFL, that would be my conclusion, too. I'm not sure his persona works at a place like Alabama, OSU, or any of the juggernaut-type programs, either. His big problem here was 2021. He managed to get 5 wins out of a team everybody thought was a few pieces and a bunch of scrubs in 2020. Even in losses, they were at least competitive most of the time. Last year, not much. Too often they looked horribly overmatched and lost. On paper, the team was a little better but the outcome was worse. To me, that is coaching. There is no disgrace in being a college coach. There is no disgrace in being a college coach trying his hand in the NFL and failing. We've run down that list many times and it is a rather impressive list of college coaches. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, and I hope he does. But after the cratering last year, I don't have much hope. He just looked like he had no clue at all.

Ah, no problem. It was actually the overthecap contract page on him that had me wanting a drink. But, if it hadn't been that, it would have been something else.

Danke. 45CatFan's post confused me, then overthecap added to the confusion, which I was assuming where 45CatFan got the information. 4 years is what I thought was the universal rookie deal with a 5th year option. This internet is a great source of information....until it isn't.

The Browns put the screws to themselves with Mayfield the minute it was publicly disclosed they were in the bidding for Watson. Same for Atlanta with Ryan.

Can we confirm the Corral contract? I see only one year listed on overthecap, but both them and spotrac say he is under the normal four year rookie contract. Spotrac's grid on him shows four years, but no numbers. I don't think there is any pressure to rush him along, either. I do think there has to be some urgency to evaluate him before next year's draft. But that is not the same as throwing him to the wolves. That said, I would not be surprised to see us panic if Darnold stinks it up the first 5 or 6 games.

I don't see the rationale in it, even at $5M, mostly because Mayfield's contract is also up after 2022. IF the plan was to bring Corral along/evaluate him over two years and Mayfield's deal had, say, 2 years at $15M or so, maybe it would make sense. But, there are a lot of IFs in that statement and we would have four QBs entering training camp with only Corral under contract beyond this season. Seems like the better move is to roll with what we have unless a vet can be had on the cheap for longer than just 2022. Evaluate the QBs available in the draft and vets that are available to fill out the QB room next offseason. Unless somebody thinks this teams is realistically a playoff contender in 2022 and Mayfield is the guy who can make that happen, it seems to just muddy the waters.

Please enlighten us all, what exactly was it we missed from this Yoda of the NFL?

Pretty soon he will get to the argument used by the defense attorneys for Mike Tyson. They essentially argued that their client was such a scumbag that anybody that associated with him got what they deserved. The jury didn't think much of that assertion.

Yeah, I was thinking when I saw the thread title that of all the things about the Panthers that concern me, their ranking in Madden is somehow not on the list.

Those were another one of those "did he really just say that" moments. Then there is BS meter pegger from Starbucks (from CNBC), who is having a complaint filed against them with the National Labor Relations Board about closing a location that had recently voted to unionize: Starbucks said that it opens and closes stores “as a regular part” of its operations. “Our goal is to ensure that every partner is supported in their individual situation, and we have immediate opportunities available in the market,” a Starbucks spokesperson said in an email to CNBC. As I tell my wife, that's great. Now would you like to answer the question, Senator?

I don't think we had any idea why we were losing last year. That should serve as a great reset for Rhule, and maybe it did since we now have some coaches who have been around long enough to know what NFL stands for. But that is why my attitude is what it is. In 2020, we lost as many games (okay 10 instead of 11), but the team was trying. They looked like they were "leaving it all on the field." They gave their all, and it just wasn't enough. We knew that, because the roster did not have enough talent. In 2021, it was like we were looking for reasons to wave the white flag every week, after about the mid-point of the season. Definitely. Between that and the fact you have some significant control over their future in the sport at the college level. Not buying in can cost them playing time, which costs them exposure, which makes them less visible to NFL scouts. In the NFL, the only way to have that control over a player's future shoots the team in the foot, as well, and then the player moves on anyway.

Sadly, based on last year I have doubts his game day speeches are any better. The team looked completely lost most of the second half of the year. While I am not in favor of firing coaches in two years (with some exceptions, in Denver I would have fired McDaniels after his first month, and Meyer would have gotten the axe in Jacksonville after the first public dust-up. Then again, I would not have hired Meyer or Schiano, who was a different head case, to begin with), when a team looks completely at sea, that is cause for some kind of change. He is finding the BS does not work in the NFL for very long. Does he have more than that? I don't think so, but I guess we'll find out for sure one way or another. Great coaches tend to be good motivators, but they also are good to great strategists and tacticians. Rhule was hired based on the first, but now he has to prove the second or at least listen to people who are better than him at those things.

Or stragedy?

"Get 1-percent better every day." When does he kick that off, himself? I've worked in, for, and around an agency in DC for 33 years. My wife has worked in public relations for 25+ years. I have a strong BS meter in my head, and hearing that interview it was pegged at the max. It may take hours for it to come back down. Rhule could be in Congress.