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It is also one of the easier things for a defense to exploit. I have faith Corral will learn that aspect of being a QB in the NFL, if he is given the chance. We've seen QBs in the league whose ability to learn to read defenses and movements pre-snap was questionable, but I don't think that is Corral.

I'd say that about sums up the frustrations. It wasn't the amount that BC played, it was the fact that he played most of it everywhere except where he was projected to be. And it wasn't like the LT position was successfully being locked up by anybody. It was like Rhule was trying to prove a quote falsely attributed to Churchill right. He can be counted on to do the right thing after he has exhausted all other possibilities.

He reminds me of Norv Turner. Norv was a good OC, but as a HC he was only as good as his team was going to take him. Stealing wins was not his forte, but he could sometimes outcoach himself and post a loss.

Was that the new "Ickey Shuffle" at the end?

I will say this: I think the decision to start a rookie QB has to be based on his demonstrated ability in preseason and the team around him. Don't throw him to the wolves, and for most young QBs, that probably means sitting for a bit. That said, I trust McAdoo to evaluate Corral's ability to step in on week 1, and to tweak his offense around what he does well or needs work on a lot more than Rhule or trusted Brady to do the same.

The beauty of the title of this thread is it can survive the test of time. "Might be happening today" could go on for weeks, months, or years.

I went to look something up for him, and the box on the right that usually links to Wikipedia says: Baker Reagan Mayfield is an American football quarterback for the Shanghai Sharks of the National Football League. Looks like we lost out to Shanghai. The Wikipedia article does not say that (unfortunately) nor does it look like it ever did. They missed out on a scoop.

I think the idea was that we get a 4th in 2023 along with Mayfield in exchange for Anderson and Darnold.

What do you want? We rubbed some dirt on it for him. He'll be fine.

I don't think they will allow him to use such words on this forum.

I don't want Mayfield, but that is because I don't think he is the answer to anything other than getting to mediocrity. The possible exception is if they believe Corral will not be ready this season, but is "the guy." It is kinda tough to conclude both of those conditions at the same time, especially in the next couple of weeks. Even if it is true, the best option may still be to let Sam stink up the joint, pick up a first-round QB in 2023 and then sign a vet to round out the QB room. That said, if they want to take the Sam mistake off our hands in exchange for us sweeping up the ashes they created with Mayfield, I'd be okay provided any additional compensation is about round 5. Much more than that we are basically just rinsing and repeat the same desperation that got us Sam. The Browns screwed themselves with Mayfield. They created a situation that ensured he was not going to play there again and did so for a guy who may not play there at all even though they traded away a ton of draft picks to make the deal. I would not be inclined to throw them a life preserver. I'm sure they are sitting in Cleveland thinking "these are the same morons that traded a ton for Darnold and then backed the Brinks truck up to his door."

For most coaching staffs, it is a lottery approach. Part of the lottery is whether any of their QBs work out (see Cleveland's history). The other part is when their next job will come. Actually doing what I characterize as Hoodie's approach in New England, nah. Unfortunately, for most of the last four or five years we have been buying lottery tickets.

When a QB is drafted high on a bad team they most likely start week one, and most likely in a bad situaiton. If that same QB is drafted high by a good team, he may well find himself sitting for a while until they believe he is ready (see Lance). One team has the luxury of patience while the other is too busy chasing the situation. The biggest adjustment for young QBs is that the NFL game is speed. The DBs they will face on any given week are better and faster than the best DBs most of these guys faced in college. The other difference that is related to speed is that most college QBs wait for the receiver to get open. In the NFL, they are usually throwing in anticipation of the receiver getting open unless he clearly will not during the read, because he won't be open for very long. Quick mental processing (or perhaps even slow) and learning to anticipate (and who you can anticipate with) is exactly what Darnold does not do, and given his style he probably was never going to learn from the bench, from the field, from anywhere. You can add Brady to the list of QBs who didn't start right away, and had Bledsoe not gotten hurt who knows if or when we would have seen Brady. Then there is the case of New England and Jones. Hoodie has always adapted his schemes (offense or defense) to fit what he has. He doesn't generally abandon the scheme, but he does modify it. In the case of Jones, they do what he can do and gradually increasing that as the season wears on and he can handle it. One would conclude this falls under development, although maybe it is just slowing things down until the player adapts to the NFL. Problem is, most teams do not do that. They throw them into the deep end when it doesn't work, the response is to keep doing it until it does until something has to give. I could be off base here, but I have always thought DCs are a lot better at adapting to their talent than OCs, who tend to be more of the mindset that we are going to do this their way or else.

Well, the title is correct: Matt Rhule is an amazing coach. He amazes me a lot.

Agreed, the defense basically gave up 6 points in that game. The Bronco D scored one TD themselves and set up the offense on the 4 for the second, accounting for 15 points. One of their FGs came after our special teams stood around thinking the PR had called for a fair catch and the ball wound up on our 14 yard line. Had they found a way to give Remmers any help on Miller, we still might have won. Moton alone probably would have done the trick.

Add Holtz to that list. There are a lot of college wins and championships that couldn't cut it in the NFL.

After two years in the NFL, that would be my conclusion, too. I'm not sure his persona works at a place like Alabama, OSU, or any of the juggernaut-type programs, either. His big problem here was 2021. He managed to get 5 wins out of a team everybody thought was a few pieces and a bunch of scrubs in 2020. Even in losses, they were at least competitive most of the time. Last year, not much. Too often they looked horribly overmatched and lost. On paper, the team was a little better but the outcome was worse. To me, that is coaching. There is no disgrace in being a college coach. There is no disgrace in being a college coach trying his hand in the NFL and failing. We've run down that list many times and it is a rather impressive list of college coaches. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, and I hope he does. But after the cratering last year, I don't have much hope. He just looked like he had no clue at all.

Ah, no problem. It was actually the overthecap contract page on him that had me wanting a drink. But, if it hadn't been that, it would have been something else.

Danke. 45CatFan's post confused me, then overthecap added to the confusion, which I was assuming where 45CatFan got the information. 4 years is what I thought was the universal rookie deal with a 5th year option. This internet is a great source of information....until it isn't.

The Browns put the screws to themselves with Mayfield the minute it was publicly disclosed they were in the bidding for Watson. Same for Atlanta with Ryan.

Can we confirm the Corral contract? I see only one year listed on overthecap, but both them and spotrac say he is under the normal four year rookie contract. Spotrac's grid on him shows four years, but no numbers. I don't think there is any pressure to rush him along, either. I do think there has to be some urgency to evaluate him before next year's draft. But that is not the same as throwing him to the wolves. That said, I would not be surprised to see us panic if Darnold stinks it up the first 5 or 6 games.

I don't see the rationale in it, even at $5M, mostly because Mayfield's contract is also up after 2022. IF the plan was to bring Corral along/evaluate him over two years and Mayfield's deal had, say, 2 years at $15M or so, maybe it would make sense. But, there are a lot of IFs in that statement and we would have four QBs entering training camp with only Corral under contract beyond this season. Seems like the better move is to roll with what we have unless a vet can be had on the cheap for longer than just 2022. Evaluate the QBs available in the draft and vets that are available to fill out the QB room next offseason. Unless somebody thinks this teams is realistically a playoff contender in 2022 and Mayfield is the guy who can make that happen, it seems to just muddy the waters.

Please enlighten us all, what exactly was it we missed from this Yoda of the NFL?

Pretty soon he will get to the argument used by the defense attorneys for Mike Tyson. They essentially argued that their client was such a scumbag that anybody that associated with him got what they deserved. The jury didn't think much of that assertion.

Yeah, I was thinking when I saw the thread title that of all the things about the Panthers that concern me, their ranking in Madden is somehow not on the list.