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Darnold is pretty much a lost cause. He had three years prior to walking into this fiasco, and he looked much the same. Not that the Jets were exactly a QB incubator, but he has shown next to nothing for his part of five seasons. Even if you are of the mindset that Darnold has spent five years under horrible circumstances, once a QB gets that far into their career showing no real progress and making the same mistakes, teams assume that is not ingrained. At least Mayfield had one good season to point to, so when he is done here somebody might look at him as a backup or a "sleeper" if they have an aging vet as a starter. That would not be us. I don't know who would think that about Darnold.

I said this in some other random thread, but 2023 offers us the opportunity to reset the QB room without the burden of the past "methodology." We have one QB under contract for 2023, and we should see that as an opportunity.

I'm not sure they need any real re-evaluation. Just assume what he decided was wrong and move on from there. It is probably not worth spending the resources looking for the remote possibility that he got anything right.

Yeah, I am not trying to give Rhule credit.....for this or anything. Credit to Brown to improving despite him. It is not unusual for players to fall back in their second year. The dreaded "sophomore slump." Rhule and company just watched that in bewilderment, not having any idea what to do. Real coaches can look at the tape and figure out what to work on instead of doing more of the same and expecting different results. Even Pasqualoni was probably despite Rhule, not because of him.

Whodathunkit??? Our lines on both sides of the ball are stepping up, or at least chunks of them are becoming a strength. That has not happened since 2015, and even then our OL somehow performed above what we could have hoped for.

Brown needed to justify his draft selection this year......and he has. He is one of the few guys who managed to show improvement under Rhule, which is some pretty rare air.

He certainly can, if you take into account he is an absolute fool at the NFL level.

I was thinking that exact thing as I was reading this thread. Rhule hampered even those who probably owe their NFL careers to their relationship with him at Temple and Baylor. The guy was basically a menace for an NFL organization. I once wrote a note to my boss after a meeting with a young program manager on some program that should not have ever seen the light of day, and it applies to Rhule. My boss had a copy of my email hanging in his office until the day he retired, and may have left it hanging then. It said: The guy is an absolute fool. To his credit, he does not let the mere fact that he is an absolute fool prevent him from speaking with great authority on subjects that he clearly knows nothing about.

Basically, Josh McDaniels sucks as a HC. After his stint in Denver, I never understood why people here wanted him.

The Lisfranc and the idiot HC who thought there are freshman in the NFL. I think Darnold is what he is. He's been unimpressive under more than one staff. At least Mayfield had some success in his career. But, yeah, there is some element of coaching hindrance that has to be figured in on pretty much the entire roster.

2023 is the perfect opportunity to reset the QB position and purge the roster of past sins. Corral is the only QB we have under contract for 2023, and we should enter the offseason moving forward with as a given, barring PJ looking like Roger Staubach the rest of the way. I don't see any rationale for bringing back Mayfield or Darnold. What exactly do they offer? Ideally, we would enter 2023 with Corral, a veteran, and a new QB from the draft. Could that vet be PJ? Maybe, but if so we need a magician as an QB coach, because that room essentially has two rookies thanks to Rhule's misuse/malpractice with Corral. So, Darnold is not my first choice as a vet....or the second.....or the third..... I feel the same way about McAdoo as OC, barring some huge epiphany with him. Like the spirit of Don Coryell or Bill Walsh taking over his body.

I believe the technical term for that is hubrus.

A regular Bubba Gump's?

He hates losing, but he also hates doing what it takes to prevent losing. Come to think of it, that describes a lot of people.

The lunatic is in my head The lunatic is in my head You raise the blade, you make the change You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane You lock the door and throw away the key There's someone in my head but it's not me.

The enormous difference between this O line and most of the recent past (going back to 2015 and beyond) is this group is young. When they blow and assignment or just miss, you know they will get better and in general they have so far. Past OLs when our past OLs would get beat, you know it was hopeless. Expecting them to get better (and seeing it) is a much better situation than hoping they can somehow get back to where they were 3 years ago, sometimes before the injury. This is the position group I am most excited about.

This commercial was based on the discussion Rhule, Snow, and company had about how to use Chinn.

Yes.

And the week after the 3-14 week, Tepper will be trying to move them to Fairbanks, AK.

How long are his arms? Oh wait, I think we have advanced past that kind of nonsense.

Hmm, tough one. Jones was drafted with pick #15. My immediate thought was that he was over-drafted, but NE wanted him, he can be successful in the right offense, they had pick #15, and they thought there was a good chance he would not be available when they picked again at pick #38. Fair enough. In the two years that followed, he has shown us exactly what we thought he was when he was drafted. That is not a slam, it is just an evaluation. He is a pretty safe young QB, relatively high floor but relative low ceiling. How has a guy who was drafted at #15 suddenly worth pick #12 two years later, when he has not exactly lit it up in an offense he should be able to produce in? He isn't a prime piece of real estate whose value goes up simply because he was there. If Belichick called and wanted to trade him for our pick #12, after I got done laughing I would probably ask who this really was that I was talking to. I don't really want him at all, but if he wants to unload him for pick #12 in the third round, maybe he finds a taker (not me, but somebody).

Isn't this always the way? What looked like a back-breaking schedule looks rather ordinary once things started to shake out this season. We'll see how things shake out now that we have shown a pulse. Well, we've shown a pulse and received a brain transplant two weeks ago. That part can not be discounted!

The OL is gelling quite well. I had hopes, but I think they are coming along quicker than I had hoped. Definitely a good unit to move forward with, especially now that somebody decided to play the Center. I guess he didn't win the competition with Elf before the season began?

How can you say that? We are clearly a playoff time riding a winning streak of one in a row. We won a game yesterday that nobody had us winning coming into the season, and probably didn't have us winning 48 hours ago. But, the Bucs are not what they were two years ago. Still, those are the kinds of games we have to win. One of my (many) complaints when Rhule was coach is that we didn't know how to win. We may have gotten a crash course in that yesterday. Still, it was one game. The Falcons have had a better season and been more competitive than a lot of people thought coming in. They may fade, but they should not be taken lightly by a 2-win team. It is a good sanity check for us. If we can post a win against a team we should beat (their 3-4 record aside), then we can talk about progress.