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Once people accept that, the explanation for everything else falls into place. Anybody who expected great things after The Process was terminated during the season from a roster that has some fundamental flaws (despite some talent) was deluding themselves. They gave us a kick in the pants when they made Brady pout, but overall, the roster and its flaws are roughly the same as they were on October 9. Let's hope the owner doesn't hire another NFL zero, although there is hope. In his last search, The Process reeled in his able-bodied assistant with meatballs.

I'm not sure where the idea of hating a player because the organization did not trade him. Even if we were talking about Sam Darnold or Robbie, the hate would not be any higher because the organization whiffed on a trade offer. Now the hatred for people in organization may go up, but that would be expected. @Mr. Scot nailed the difference between any comparison between Burns and Rhule.

I think they will sign a journeyman to be the temporary starter or backup. Then they will probably roll with our new draft pick, the journeyman, and Corral. The grand plan last year, after we traded for Mayfield, should have been Mayfield, then Darnold, then Corral in that order. Perhaps you could sub Walker for Darnold, given who the HC was and eat the dead cap. The idea being to work Corral into the #2 position at some point during the season and put him into a position to compete for #1 in 2023, if he is up to that. If he isn't up to it, then you know what you need to draft in 2023, and you probably do, regardless, since the depth chart would be down to Corral at the end of the year. But, that was overRhuled. The Process didn't want Corral and did everything in his power to ignore "the freshman." Looking ahead, who knows? The odds are against him. But it is not a sure thing that a new coach won't like him in a similar pecking order, with a temporary vet and the 2023 draft selection as #1 and 2 (in some order), and Corral as #3 with the plan to move up to #2 before the vet's contract expires. The odds are Corral is yet another one screwed by The Process.

Hell, if Rhule were still the coach, I'd be tempted to wear a plastic bag over my head. But, since The Process was terminated, there is really not much point. It would be like piling on at this point.

My main concern is that the NFL will do something. Every time they address a rule or situation, they seem to somehow make it worse. After last week, I would not be at all surprised to learn that they sent an interpretation to the officials reversing a previous interpretation, and that was why last week's penalty was nothing this week. I honestly don't think they have managed to touch the rule book, provide interpretations, or "points of emphasis" since the Rozelle days without either making a situation worse or creating a problem where there was none to start with.

I don't see any way, given the eight ball they are behind, that the Rams picks are mid to upper 20s of each round. The most likely scenario is they are going to be drafting no better than the middle of the respective rounds, and in 2024 and 2025 quite possibly in the top 10-12. They essentially sold the farm to win last year. Hats off to them, they did it. But they did so knowing full well what the price would be when the slide started....and the slide has started. The irony of their offer is as good as Burns can be, I don't think he is their magic elixir to extend their run. Unless they think he is going to help them hold teams under 10 points every week, their primary problem is the other side of the ball.

Or married.

Yep. The saying that the number one cause of disappointment is unrealistic expectations applies. When The Process still had keys to the place entering this year, we knew he was either going to show he learned something about NFL football and coaching or not. If he did, then we could do what we should have done last year and post 8 or 9 wins. If it was that dreaded "or not" then things were going to be bad. There were all kinds of indications in training camp and preseason that it was "or not." It was pretty clear the way the go-ahead drive was handled in week one that the answer was "or not." It was painfully apparent to everyone the answer was "or not" by the end of week four. Hell, it was even obvious to Tepper by week five. The cost of waiting that long is a lost season. It's okay to hope for better, much like it is okay to hope to win the lottery when buying a ticket. But in either case, when that hope morphs to some belief, well, get ready for disappointment.

I had not heard they added a 2023 second-round pick to the offer. That changes my opinion quite a bit, since my first reaction was the offer was close, but we needed something like a third rounder in 2023 added to the deal. I'm not a bURnS SukcS guy. Maybe the new staff will use him in a role and scheme that makes him shine. But if so, having a second in 2023, and additional firsts in 2024 and 2025 would allow them to find what they need without having to break the bank to keep BB. Again, I like BB in the right scheme. But for what the Rams put on the table, that changes things. They offered us a haul of draft picks for a guy who is going to want a haul of money on his next contract. And given the state of the Rams, I think the 2023 pick will be no better than the middle of the second round, and that will be as far down as the picks slide through the 2025 first. 2024 and 2025 could easily be top ten picks both years.

The underlying problem is the construction of the roster. We have some talent, it just may not be "the right" talent. Since The Process came in, we focused on speed and versatility. Problem is, there are units in the NFL that need brawn. Whoever comes in is going to have to sit down with Fitts (or whoever) and go unit by unit to assess the pieces. That probably means some of the talent we think we have is going to have to be moved. I have no idea to what degree this problem hog ties the current interim staff in what they can do, because you can't really change it much during the season. It is not an excuse, but an observation that has to be considered because if it is limiting them, it will limit their successors. The other thing, as basic as this is, will be to make sure players are in their best positions. We know The Process was not any good at identifying that. My guess is they were trying to outsmart everybody, and like most who do that, they outsmarted themselves. As I said, it will take a while to undo the damage that was done with the grand Rhule experiment. The right coaching staff can probably do it in two seasons and could show improvement right away. But, if we are going to go down another five to seven year plan, we might as well trade everybody and start over.

The only thing I can think of is our opponents leave the field so utterly dazed and confused by what they saw, even when they win, that they can't recover in time for the next week. No matter what they do, they can't get over the effects of watching us trip over our own wangs.

I'm much happier since I gave up all hope. That ship sailed after the loss to Arizona. If they win, they win. Winning is always uplifting. If they lose, well, that is expected and gets us closer to an early first round pick in the draft. It is going to take a while to shake off the effects of The Process.

I can't say I saw anybody wanting to anoint Walker as the mother of all starters. There were people saying he should start the rest of the year. But, that is in the context of the choice being him, Darnold, or Mayfield. I think they were hoping Walker could make a case to stay on the roster next year. As for Wilks, I saw and commented in a thread saying he should get another year. The context of that thread was the possibility that nobody worth squat would be interested in this job and if that is the case, he should get a year from start to finish to see what he could do, almost as an "extended interim." Seems like I've seen people say he is a viable option. I'm sure I missed some threads that may have gone farther than that, because there are some thread titles that I just won't touch. My view on Walker is that coming into today he had nine games to show whether he should be in the running for the veteran on the roster with Corral and whoever we draft. I don't think he has nine games anymore. Had he been consistent (and not consistently bad), throw his name in the hat with any other cheap vets although he would be at a disadvantage having not ever been an established starter anywhere. But backups in the NFL have to not throw games away, at a minimum. They don't have to propel the team to victory, they just have to not give away victories the rest of the team has earned. I just don't think Walker can consistently do that. You know how this place gets. Let them win or do something like the end of regulation last week and we are playoff bound and going to surprise people. Let them lay an egg like today and everybody should be taken out and shot.

There are days I am glad I am not in the Panthers' TV market. This sounds like one of them. The worst 60 minutes I remember seeing was a January 2000 playoff game where Miami was down 41-7 to Jacksonville. If I remember right, that was Marino's last game. They wound up losing 62-7. They were outgained by something like 400 yards.

I think that only works if there is a single item. So, if you have several items in the cart, you can't pull that off. I used the PO Box in the original post: CH PO Box 752 Davidson, NC 28036 Amazon sent them by U.S. mail and their site says they delivered them yesterday. UPS does not deliver to PO boxes, and my guess is FedEx doesn't either. So, using the PO box worked for me (I think). Try that or wait for Zod to get back to you about any other address he might want used.

QB is the position that the Panthers know the least about. It's not that the don't know what one is, we don't know what we have. I agree that we need a passable veteran, to draft somebody to hopefully be "the solution," and to take a good look at Corral. Out of that group, who knows who starts week one in 2023? The most like pick is the vet, then the draft pick, then Corral but sometimes strange things happen when there is an open position heading into the season. Going into 2023, we have one QB on the roster: Corral. We know nothing about him, thanks to the malpractice committed by our dimwit former HC. Yeah, I know, he looked like he11 in the preseason, but he also has not had 5 minutes of NFL coaching on the position. After all, he was a freshman and freshman have no place on the varsity. Walker may be a decent backup or not, we don't know that yet, either. He carries the stench of being one of The Process' guys, but he may be more than that. We have nine more games to figure that out. If so, maybe we resign him provided nobody wants to bid up his price. If they do, sold. If the bomb on Sunday made anybody a convert, see the video below. The difference is that PJ is not a jacka$$. Hard pass on Darnold or Mayfield for the vet we need. As for throwing a parade for a guy based on a Hail Mary or leading a miracle comeback, I present Clint Longley. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCAIfSHI3FQ

Who knows? There are several common things that happen when a micro-managing manager/coach/supervisor is in charge A strange form of Stockholm Syndrome People naturally settle into the "devil we know is better than the devil we don't" Fear of retribution I just work here, will do my time, punch out, cash my paycheck, and someday eventually leave The Process might now have been openly hostile to the players. He might have been a nice guy in the locker room and even to everyone most of the time. But, it is quite common in sports for players to be supportive of their coach, no matter how awful, until they leave the team. Unless you are a star, a coach can do a lot of damage to a career. Getting shipped elsewhere is actually one of the better outcomes.

You can just end the statement there, because the emphasis on talked sums up the problem and explains almost everything else related to that north end of a southbound horse. Wilks has done a good job of instilling something NFL-related to this team. His predecessor did nothing NFL-related. The fact that the change took place almost immediately when The Process was terminated tells us either 1) Wilks is a strong leader and has at least one important element of being an NFL coach in his arsenal, and/or 2) this team was begging for NFL leadership/coaching. Given the relative youth of this team, if #2 is involved, that is pretty telling.

You are going to need to rent a box truck to deliver all these before it is over!

Certainly it is some of that, but of the other QBs on the list, who was as flashy (for lack of a better word) as Cam? The NFL has always had a bias against flashiness. Manziel was flashy, but he flamed out before he even started. And he was heavily criticized (many, if not most or nearly all, valid). The Golden Calf was also heavily criticized and had people rooting for his demise. He wasn't very good so it didn't last long, but it still comes up. Heck, Mayfield received his fair share of criticism when he showed any of those same qualities in Cleveland. The most obvious difference with Cam, other than the color of his skin, was the fact he was good for so long. The other guys in this discussion were basically flashes in the pan. The venom and ill-will pointed at them only lasted as long as the spotlight was lit, which was not generally very long. Going back to the cave man era, Namath got death threats for his brashness.

The problem with the CMC trade was that he represented so much of our offensive production. That was not his fault, it was the design of the offense that either relied too heavily on him, or resorted to him when it was otherwise ineffective. We are not the first team to lose a player with that impact. And it seems like half the time the effect is not noticed or certainly not noticed on a 1:1 basis because the team is forced to distribute the load elsewhere. Low and behold, it works.

The complete rebuild statement caught my eye, too. The one thing we did get from the Rhule time here was some young talent. We went from #29 (by average age) to #8 or so, as best as I can find. We have some holes and very little depth in most places, but roster-wise, we are not at ground zero.

Great job, @Ja Rhule. We need one of those thermometer-looking things to tell us the current number and where we are.

No joke. I always get a chuckle when they charge somebody or threaten to with "lying to Congress." Really? If they charged everybody that lied in the chambers with that, the only person in the capitol would be the janitor. I've always been an advocate of the line about limiting politicians to two terms: one in office and one in prison. And that rings true no matter which party holds the gavels. In that respect, Dan Snyder is the perfect owner of the area football team.