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Pops?

He kinda looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy with a bad haircut.

The problem the Raiders have is Mark Davis is not a billionaire. I think he has the lowest net worth of any NFL owner (excluding the Packers), somewhere around $500M. That is hard assets and cash, not just cash to throw around. As far as I know, his only revenue stream is Da Raidahs. McDaniels' contract terms have never been released, but he made $4M a year as OC in NE, and it was reported he would make "substantially more" in Vegas. They were paying Gruden $100M/10 years. I don't think anybody knows how that was structured (rumored to be back loaded) and what, if anything, the Raiders are paying Gruden because there are so many "ifs" in how he left. But, McDaniels could be making more per year than The Process, and given his first stint as a HC, he was probably as big of a risk. Maybe bigger. McDaniels was 0 for 1 and the 1 was a huge crash and burn. That was why I didn't want the Panthers anywhere near him. It is possible that firing McDaniels would mean they were paying $15 - 20M/year on HC that no longer coach. That makes Tepper's gaffe of paying The Process $8M/year to watch reruns of Gilligan's Island seem like a steal. I only wish they would have paid Rhule to not coach the Panthers before he started coaching the Panthers!

It takes years of dedication to the cause to get to the point nobody wants to talk to about a GM or HC position. The only ones I remember for sure were Al Davis because nobody wanted to work for him and the 49ers when they pushed Harbaugh out. Maybe the Foreskins would have problems right now, but, if it looks fairly certain Snyder is a goner that will change even while he still has the keys to the place. Jerry Jones has not always been able to hire who he wanted due to him being the second coming of Al Davis. But he always finds somebody. Otherwise, it takes a horrible and hopeless situation to become persona non grata. While things haven't been pretty here, they are minor by comparison.

Nebraska "ain't what it used to be." They are begging for anything that provides hope for them to be competitive with big hitters in the conference. There is nothing in Rhule's accomplishments that indicates he can actually do that, but they are looking at his previous college stops got better every year for three years. He might be able to reproduce that level of success at Nebraska and still not have them competing with the conference big hitters. He's never stuck around long enough to see if he could go from producing a good record to actually beating heavy-hitters. Who knows, that may be good enough to get him in the door at Nebraska (or Arizona State), especially since the program has been disappointing for years. But, after a few years of that I think Nebraska will want more and the pressure will be on. ASU could be a different story in terms of their tolerance for staying at that level (if he can actually keep a program at that level, which is another unknown). Or, he will repeat his pattern and move on before he has to show more. His ceiling right now is to take a flailing program and get it to produce wins. Bigger success has not been part of that and could be above his ability. ASU might be content with that ceiling, which is why I think they are a better long-term fit. I will give him this: he would most likely make them more competitive in the area of recruiting, because we know he can BS 17 and 18 year olds. Hell, he BSed a 60-year old billionaire to the tune of $60+M, so a 17-year-old kid is child's play.

I don't blame you. I'll always know it as that, myself.

Isn't that HTTC these days?

Davis has been saying that for weeks now. Then again, he has also been known to change his mind almost on a whim, so I am not sure his assurances mean much. About the only thing McDaniels has going for him is Davis apparently is concerned about establishing a revolving door of HCes. But, if McDaniels has lost another locker room already, sooner or later Davis is going to have to deal with that.

I don't know that it is that simple (Cam/Luke could add the wins). One of the major failings I see on The Process at the NFL level is that they were awful at putting players in positions to succeed. It was like they were trying to outsmart the world with every decision, hamstrung their best players, and almost strove to make everybody look the same out there. For example: Chinn. The guy proved to be an incredible hybrid OLB/SS, SS, or OLB, and once we saw that, what did we do? The logical thing and moved him to FS. We fumbled around with players in positions in which the answer was pretty clear early on. Including some where their ideal position was "on the bench" because we had somebody better. We did no better at game planning and play calling. You have to ask what offensive plays/scheme that cast of characters would have called with Cam at QB, and how The Process would have tried to control that? Same with an obvious elite MLB and extremely solid defense. How would they have hampered it? Rivera's fault was failing to surround Cam with more talent on the OL and WR position, which resulted in his having to directly account for more offensive production and taking more hits along the way. His staff also did not adjust to individual opponents, either in the game plan or during the game. But he didn't try to outsmart everybody and winding up looking like a buffoon. I'd like to think Cam, Luke, the 2015 Norman, etc would have resulted in more wins for The Process, but the end result may have been somebody in that locker room eventually stuffing his head in a toilet because he couldn't stay out of the way, at a minimum.

Ron is a "stabilizer." He's the guy you hire when your last hire left the place in ashes. He can bring stability, get the players on the same page, and put things back on the rails. Fox was the same type. They are not the guys who are going to get a team to the next level (unless the team is overwhelmingly talented), but they can fix an organization's mess. Parcells is of that same bent, only he had the ability to get a team to the next level after sweeping up the ashes. As long as there are coaching disasters that leave teams a complete mess, there will be a need for coaches like Rivera. Think Denver after the McDaniels' reign of terror. They are like calling ServPro: they aren't going to turn your house into some dream home, but they will clean up the mess and put it back into the shape it was before the disaster. And honestly, with the mess in DC, both the way the team was when he took over and the owner thinking he is some sort of mob boss, Rivera is probably the perfect guy to keep the team focused.

Rivera (and Fox before him) is the kind of coach you bring in to stabilize things after they have become a clusterf*#k to establish a solid footing. Most of that kind of coach are not able to take the team to the next level once they do that (exception: Parcells), but some franchises are so far off the rails they need to be stabilized before they have any chance to move forward. Think Denver after McDaniels. Washington certainly fits that same mold. We probably did, too, after The Process and Wilks is filling the same role. Since there will always be coaches (and owners) who screw things up royally and leave ashes in their wake, there will always be a need for that kind of coach. You just have to know their limits.

Thanks, but when the Mods see that I will be banned, for sure. I'm open to any serviceable vet (see @Jackie Lee's list), as long as we don't have to trade anything for them (FA's) and they are relatively cheap. Honestly, the longer they have been around the better since they can help break-in the draft pick(s) and Corral. What I am not open to is trading draft picks for one of them, or acquiring a U-Haul and thinking it might turn into a Porsche. But that was a defect in thinking of The Process that hopefully would not be repeated by a coach that knows that NFL can stand for Not For Long if they screw things up. Then again, Josh McDaniels has been around the NFL for years and he has given no indication he understands that, so maybe my expectation that an experience NFL coach would know that is overblown.

Not really, but his name is not Darnold, Mayfield, or Walker and he should be cheap. But, even at that he is relatively useless to us if we don't draft "the answer" this year or next. For the record, in my thinking we are carrying 3 QBs next year: Corral, a vet (Minshew or similar), and whoever we draft. And depending on who we draft this year and when, and what Corral looks like when we finally see him, we may be drafting another one next year.

Makes sense. Minshew was drafted in 2019, but not in the first round so his rookie contract has no fifth year option. If GB opts to exercise Love's fifth year, he'll cost them somewhere around $20M for 2024 unless he somehow makes a Pro Bowl or two.

Unless both Spotrac and Overthecap are wrong, he is a UFA at the end of the year. He'll cost us nothing to trade for. As for money, he is being paid $2.5M this year. Even if we gave him $4M, that is less than 20% of what we are paying the current crop of weeds we have growing in the QB garden.

I don't think anybody believes Minshew is the answer, just that he is good enough to do what they brought Bridgewater in to do in 2020. And that was not a bad plan at all, they just effed it up. If whoever we draft is good enough to start in week 1, or week 4, or week 9, or week 15, Minshew becomes the backup until someone else pilfers him. If somehow Corral lights it up and is good enough to start instead, Minshew becomes the backup. I don't think anybody is talking about buying him, just renting him for a while. Minshew is basically spending a career as a U-Haul truck: teams rent him for a purpose, and when that job is done they turn him in. He's a UFA after this season, so the truck is available for rent.

Ah, but wait. The flaw in that plan is that I was reading something earlier that Brady may not retire. I guess he is contemplating the Favre plan.....play until somebody removes your memory of who you are. Of course, the Bucs may not want him back, either, since his contract after this year is voided out. None of that is in our control, and probably doesn't matter all that much, anyway. What is in our control (#1-4) looks good, Brady or no Brady.

The title of the thread is "If Young and Stroud are gone" and the question is what we will do. The answer is about one third of this board will whine, moan, and complain about how we would have had the second coming of Dan Marino had we just lost all 17 games. And in fact, any year that we are not going to win the Super Bowl we should strive for 0-17. Of course, that plan means the Panthers should have never won a game in our 28 year history, but think of all the elite QBs we would have drafted with the #1 pick.

This always gets into that "great taste" vs. "less filling" debates. QB's that are drafted early in the first round fail at a high rate. But is it them, or is it the fact they are also drafted at a high rate by dog dung teams? Look at the 2021 draft. Arguably the three top prospects went to Jacksonville, the Jest, and da Bears. Add that Jacksonville was trying some lab experiment with Urban effing Meyer as their head coach. How much worse does it get for a QB, young or a vet, than those three teams? Da Bears don't always stink, but even when they don't, they are not a QB haven. If somehow Fields comes out of that as a quality NFL QB, somebody ought to throw him a parade (and strike up the band, because he is looking like he might just pull that off). Lance and Jones landed in two gardens of Eden by comparison. Money aside, if you are a highly-rated QB entering the NFL draft, you almost want to purposely run a 5.7 40 at the combine and throw the ball on a 30-degree angle from the target and grab your shoulder in the hope you will fall past about pick 15 just to have a chance in the NFL. Otherwise, barring some trade that has a decent team drafting in the top 5 or 10, you are probably looking at starting your career at a place that has drafted seven QBs in the first round over the last 25 years, and none of them worked out. And yes, some of the QB's in that group just are not NFL QB's. But between those and the ones who might have been had they not been drafted into some abyss, it's no wonder the success rate is as low as it is.

Isn't that what we are about four years into?

He probably will not listen. Now, tell him that Matt Rhule believs artificial turf is an integral part of "the process" and he may have bulldozers at BofA ripping it out by the end of the day.

And even if somebody was inclined to pace the floors this time of year over draft position and who to draft, this is not the year. More teams than ever generally look bad or incomplete. To draw any conclusion that x or y team will not win another game all year is a stretch. The Texans haven't really been run off the field this year. Their biggest loss was by 18 to da Raidahs and they had to give up 21 unanswered points in the 4th quarter to do that. Speaking of da Raidahs, if anybody thinks McDaniels is going to pack it in for the season, think again. The clown is probably coaching for his job the rest of the way. I guess one could argue Vegas is more likely to lose when McD is coaching to win, or the players are checking out on him, but even so, they have a few winnable games on their schedule even if McD is coaching to win.

I'm waiting to run the wins and losses numbers for the entire league to see how the NFL can possibly have more losses than wins. It sounds impossible, the wins and losses should be equal, but seeing how this season has unfolded it may be Goodell's gift to football fans. And yes, this is tongue-in-cheek. But it does not feel like it.

Your expectations may be higher than mine! Realistically, 3-8 is incoming. The Ravens are up and down, but they are riding a 3 game winning streak and coming off a bye. Ironically, they are more inconsistent at home, but that is the only window of opportunity I see open.

McDaniels is the north end of a southbound horse as a HC. Denver should have fired him a month after they hired him, prior to playing a single game. He claimed to have learned from that experience, but everything I have read and the results indicates he is the same guy. I guess his goal is to ruin the entire AFC West, team by team. My guess is he worked out in NE as an OC because Hoodie kept his thumb on him and limited him to developing game plans and calling plays. I would be interested in Carr. His contract is interesting, because the time bomb for when the 2023 salary and $7.5M of 2024 convert to guarantees is mid-February. Prior to then, he costs the Raidahs next to nothing to simply release. Moral of that story is they need to either work out a deal (and probably eat most or all of his 2023 salary and the 2024 guarantee), or renegotiate it, or shitecan McDaniels (my recommendation, although I would not have hired him in the first place and would always recommend giving him the axe to anybody dumb enough to have hired him), or release him by mid-February. As that clock ticks, his trade value probably decreases by the week. Regardless, we need to draft a QB this year (Carr could lower when we need to draft one), and maybe draft another next year. We have but one on the depth chart for 2023 as of right now. I think we need a vet to carry the torch/mentor, and that vet is not named Darnold, Walker, and most likely not Mayfield, either. That vet could wind up in the backup role, which would be a poor utilization of Carr if it happened. But if you are looking for a QB to plug in, improve things (substantially) from the position, and move to the next step, Carr can do that.