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The same organization that cut Cam with only 1 year and roughly $20 million left on his contract after busting his ass for a year to get healthy, just so they could sign Teddy Bridgewater of all people, suddenly reveres him so much they make his number off limits?

Honestly even if he isn't an elite receiver, does it really matter? There's only so many targets to go around between DJ, Robby, Marshall, David Moore, CMC and Dan Arnold.

Lighten up guy. Do you have trouble picking up on jokes? I'm not grading picks based on interviews even if it was hilarious. But guess what? It doesn't even matter cause I'm still giving the pick a positive grade. You realize he was our comp 6th? One of the last picks in the 6th round. I'd venture to guess that over 80% of the players picked after him won't make their team's 53 man roster. At that point in the draft you can take one of the top 1 or 2 special teamers in the country or a guy with major question marks overlooked round after round by 31 other teams who has to compete with a half dozen NFL veterans at his position just to make the roster. We took a guy with a great chance to be a starter for years to come and save $1 million on our cap this year. And if the pick wasn't justifiable enough, Washington picked a long snapper 3 picks later.

A pure blocking tight end does seem like poor value in the 3rd where you can find starter potential at more important positions like guard and wr. I've been able to reason it in a couple ways 1. He can help shore up our deficiencies on the offensive line with meaningful snaps as a rookie. Think of him as a part-time starter 6th O lineman. 2. We lost both Manhertz and Armah. He effectively takes the place of 2 starters in 1. 3. Many clamored for us to draft another lineman but at a certain point you can have too many bodies. We already signed Erving, Elflein, and Miller, still have Daley and Little, drafted Christenson and Brown and signed Moore as an UDFA. Some of those names will compete for time at tackle but all of them could or have been used at guard. Why not take a guy who will actually see the field and help the line than someone who'd compete for a backup spot with 4 others. 4. Short yardage situations were a major weakness in 2020. Drafting him was an effort to shore that up. 5. Ideally you take a guy like that in the 5th or later but he was 52nd on Daniel Jeremiah's board. If we really liked him, I'm not sure we could have counted on him being there even in the 4th. As far as the long snapper, I have no problems there. Getting a potential starter with a comp 6th (basically 7th), even special teams, is a win. And seeing as how a long snapper was drafted 3 picks later only sells it more.

Keep in mind the following: 1. We let Douglas and Elder leave, both of whom had a fair amount of playing time last year. 2. Bouye is on a 1 year contract and is suspended for the first two games. 3. Donte has missed multiple games every year and is on the last year of his contract. 4. Melvin hasn't played since 2019 (he opted out last year) and before that had played for 3 different teams in 3 years. He's 31 years old and is on a cheap 1 year contract. 5. Stantley was a 7th round pick and Taylor is a 5th. Day 3 picks are usually developmental guys that you're not necessarily expecting to contribute a ton right away. Stantley got more time last year thanks to injuries and our lack of depth, but chances are, at least one of these guys is stashed on the practice squad this year and can get called up if injuries hit. Considering Pride and Stantley are the only two corners under contract beyond this year other than our two new draft picks, it's unlikely they're done. More likely they'll be relegated to roles they should have had last year (depth and developmental) but were thrust in above their heads because our secondary was so devoid of talent.

Appreciate the analysis but I'm disappointed you didn't give the long snapper an A+. The video of him getting the call from Rhule was one of the highlights of our whole draft

If you're WR5 or 6 on the team, it helps to bring something extra to the table (e.g. special teams ace, kick returner) because chances are you won't see the field on passing downs. Better Zylstra actually contribute on special teams than Bayless sit on the bench all the game. Maybe Bayless would do well on ST, I don't know. But I do think that will factor in. You can always stash Bayless on the practice squad and put him on the roster if we have multiple injuries.

When you have a dozen draft picks and only 53 spots, the chances a late round draft pick making the team isn't great. So why not take the best rookie long snapper and save $1 million on your cap? Honestly one of the soundest picks at that point of the draft.

Well one of the benefits of collecting a bunch of 3rd rooms picks is you can go BPA rather than focus on filling immediate needs. You still have a chance to do that in the 3rd. Pick makes sense. Good value at the end of the 2nd and sets us up to move on from Robby if his price is too high next year.

Can't see us being comfortable trading back to 20 when we only have 1st round grades on 15 players. Also, getting future 1sts is great and all but if you're foregoing an elite prospect for a 2nd tier one by dropping that far, kind of dampers your prospects this year which may not be optimal when you traded away your 2nd round pick in 2022. Would hate for that to be a high 2nd rounder. Gotta put yourself in a position to be semi-competitive this year.

Not exciting but if you think about it, it's the sensical pick. 1. Covers the biggest hole on our team 2. Chance of finding a competent day 1 starter at cb after the first round was not very good. 3. Get our choice of the top player at the position rather than whatever is leftover. 4. Our 2nd biggest need, tackle, has a ton of depth in this draft and we had just missed out on the 1 clear elite LT prospect with question marks about Slater being a better fit at guard. Much more likely we find a starter in the 2nd round and consider switching Moton to LT. 5. With Denver taking a cb and Dallas with a huge need at cb, if we really honed in on Horn, trading back probably wasn't going to work (not to mention, given how long we took to make the pick, I bet we tried but the offers were paltry).

Guaranteed at a chance for Sewell or Fields... holy smokes!

They just put a graphic that said the Jaguars have had 6 different starting qbs since 2018 and I thought "Wow that's terrible." Then I realized we had Cam, Heineke, Kyle Allen, Will Grier, Teddy B, and PJ Walker. Just in case it wasn't painfully obvious enough that we need our long term answer.

Unless we draft Fields, our 1st 2 picks should start on day 1, likely OT and CB in some order, although safety is possible in the 2nd (or Moehrig in the 1st wouldn't be crazy if we trade back with WFT). After that, it's a crap shoot. I'm not sure a guard in the 3rd or later is going to beat out Elflein, Miller and Daley and unless the TE is Kyle Pitts, I think Arnold is safe. You can find a decent coverage linebacker in later rounds so I wouldn't rule out a 4th round LB taking an outside spot and shifting Chinn mostly to safety. With 3 6 rounders, I'd also consider using one of those on a kicker if we really like one and creating competition with Slye l. Not a high priority but that late, no guarantees those picks even make the initial 53.

Hmm so we save an extra $3 million and get a 6th round pick? Pretty solid. Better to get some value before the draft in case we draft Fields and the whole world knows we're not keeping Teddy and lose all trade leverage. That being said, it feels like Denver got a good deal. Get Teddy for $3 million by giving up a 6th round pick that's more likely than not to be out of the league in 3 years? Sure Teddy for $20 million is a tough pill to swallow but at $3 million he's a great bargain. Seems like one of those win win situations.

For those complaining that Greg Little's combine should have made him an obvious pass in the draft: Orlando Brown's combine performance made Little look like Aaron Donald. It was historically abysmal. That's why he dropped to the 3rd round. One example of why the combine, while important, isn't the end all be all.

Not crazy about a cb at 8. However, I'd be on board with a cb in the teens plus the haul from trading down, and snag an OT in the 2nd given there should be plenty of decent ones to choose from. CB is a huge need. We have no current starting caliber corners signed past this year, Donte is guaranteed to miss games and Bouye is suspended the first 2 games with his best years behind him. You could argue it might be our biggest need. I'd still rather have Sewell if he's there but if he's gone and a team is willing to pay big to move up to 8, we should hear them out

If Sewell, Pitts and Fields are all gone, I'd see if Philly is willing to give up their extra 1st in 2022 to move up to 8. Maybe they anticipate Miami's 1st will be in the 20s and consider giving that. I'd do that for sure and land either Slater or Darrisaw at 12 as one of them should be there. I'd probably be wary of trading back any further and losing out on one of the elite talents, even with a good haul.

It definitely makes the most sense to at least wait until the draft. If we draft a qb at 8, it doesn't make much sense to have him sit behind Darnold for 2 years or pay Darnold nearly $20 million to be a backup in 2022. If we don't draft a qb at 8, I do think we'd be a bit obligated to pick up the 5th year option. You don't make an evaluation on a guy that he's worth a 2nd round pick plus change and worry he'll be damaged goods after 1 year. The 5th year option is a huge bargain for a decent starting qb. And as others have said, we probably need more than a year in our system to truly find out Darnold's potential. If he's still not the answer in year 2, we did our homework and can confidently move on with no additional commitment. But if he shows some potential next year but has his ups and downs (which is the most likely scenario) what do you do? Give up or pay him a Teddy-esque contract and hook yourself for a couple years? That's the last place we want to be again.

Not a fan of trading for Orlando Brown when this is such a deep class of OT. The guy is clamoring out of Baltimore because he wants to get a chance to play LT and get a contract commensurate with the position (e.g $20 million per year). We'll be stuck either dumping 20% of our cap for him and Moton in 2022 or having to let one go after giving up a high pick to get Brown. If you really want Horn, why not still trade back, use the extra 2nd to get any one of Leatherwood, Cosmi, Radunz or whoever else might be there that we like and get a low cost tackle for the next 4 years. Would you rather have Horn and Orlando Brown or Horn, Leatherwood, an extra 2nd round pick and $75 million more in cap space over the next 4 years? No brainer

If they're really pulling out the consensual card (and I say "if" because I haven't directly heard about that), that's going to be a terribly hard sell. A high profile athlete paying a woman to meet him in a private location which then leads to sex? At best it comes off as implicit prostitution which is obviously illegal in its own right. But it's just as easy to argue these women were indirectly coerced out of retaliatory fear of a physically imposing and financially and pop culturally powerful individual for whom they were in a business/service relationship contingent on satisfied customers. I'm no legal expert but it seems like at the very least it has grounds on a civil basis and could easily be argued criminally. It's why a boss can't just ask his secretary "Hey why don't we have sex" and expect it to come out as completely kosher if she files for harrassment even if she didn't emphatically say no.

I'm still not understanding why so many people are jumping at the chance to cut Teddy this second and lose an extra $10 million in cap space. In a world where Sam Bradford fetched a 1st round pick with a $20 million salary after a starter got injured, how is everyone so sure we can't get a late round pick, especially if we convert some of his guaranteed salary into a signing bonus? If we made $5 million into a signing bonus, the trading team gets Teddy for $12 million, we save $5 million extra on our cap (so $13 million post June 1st) and get a nominal draft pick in 2022. I mean hell, we could convert all $10 million into bonus money, leave him with a $7 million contract for the trading team, have the exact same cap hit we have now and at least get a draft pick, while the trading team gets him at a backup salary with zero guaranteed money, so they could cut him scot free. I realize you all aren't GMs but this is a bad look for some of you.

What part of keeping him until final cuts did you skip over? Why cut him now when there's months before the season starts and plenty of time for someone to get injured? We're not paying his 2021 salary before week 1.

It would be moronic if we rush into cutting Teddy. For one, there's a chance a high profile starting qb for a competitive team will get injured sometime before the start of the season leaving Teddy as one of the few available qbs that could keep them afloat. Envision a team like Seattle losing Russell Wilson or Tom Brady's body finally breaking down in Tampa. You think those teams wouldn't throw a late round 2022 pick, especially if we restructure Teddy's contract to take some of the hit off them? Why eat $10 million extra and forfeit the chance at any pick at all unless you absolutely have to? Hell, I'd wait at the very least until the final cuts for the 53 before considering it.

Definitely premature to be hailing praises over the Darnold trade. We could look back at the whole thing as a disaster, particularly if, say, Fields is there at 8 and he becomes a pro bowl caliber qb. Meanwhile Darnold statistically has been worse than Bridgewater. I know we all hope better weapons and coaching will make him look more competent but let's say he turns into at best, a comp for Teddy. We pick up his 5th year option to pay him nearly $20 million in 2022 and are in the same position we're in this year with Teddy: stuck with an overpaid qb that won't take us anywhere with a contract that is tough to move, and meanwhile we give up what could be a high 2nd round pick if he really does flame out. Listen, I'm not saying that's going to happen and god willing I desperately hope it doesn't. But at minimum I'm acknowleging it's very much possible. And thus it's way too soon for this kind of thread.